Loebner Contest - Round 4

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This is the webcast of the 2012 Loebner Prize. New content should appear here from 1pm on Tuesday 15th May. The contest consists of 4 rounds of 4 conversations - the four conversations with four chatbots are shown below. When a new round is starting you will receive a notification at the top of the screen - please click on the link provided in this notification and the website will take you to the next round.

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Each square of four panes represents two conversation between one judge and a human and an AI. The judge's questions appear in the bottom two panes. The responses of the human and AI appear in the top two panes but are deliberately not labelled. Can you tell the difference?

Competition Results

Congratulations Mohan Embar for winning the 2012 Loebner Prize.

1st Prize and the bronze medal was awarded to Chip Vivant by Mohan Embar ($5,000).

2nd Prize was awarded to Angela by Bruce Wilcox ($1,000)

3rd Prize was awarded to Adam by Daniel Burke ($750)

4th Prize was awarded to Linguo by M. Allan ($250)

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Judge4 in conversation with Human3 and AI1

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Thank you. I'm enjoying this chat a lot. What is your name?

I didn't understand. How are you doing today?

Thanks for telling me your name, Tom. Do you have any hobbies?

Chip.

I enjoy our conversation too.

I'm neutral about that. What do you think?

It's very hot and dry. I like it that way, though. There's also this incessant whirring noise. Do you play any musical instruments?

Interesting point of view. No more than that?

Do you have any pets?

I hadn't thought of it that way. Which what?

That was unfair. What is your profession?

I wouldn't know.

Please rephrase this as a proper question. (Instead of "Jim likes peaches?", use "Does Jim like peaches?")

You're welcome. It sounds like you are more analytical than creative. Is that a fair assessment?

I'm a professional conversationalist.

Okay. As a journalist, do you primarily work indoors or outdoors?

Thanks for your answer. Would you ever work for a foreign company in your country or do you prefer to work for a local company?

I didn't understand what you just said. Did you need to study hard to become a journalist?

Thanks for telling me that. Which is the most important degree of education for you?

Sorry - I didn't understand. What hobbies do you have?

It's very hot and dry. I like it that way, though. There's also this incessant whirring noise.

Okay.

I didn't understand that. Does it mean that you are more of a left-brainer as a journalist?

What line of work are you in?

Work with a hefty salary but no holiday or minimum wage job with small salary but proper holidays and benefits - which one do you prefer?

I can't answer that yet. The work condition of employees of foreign companies in my country aren't as gratifying as it seems.

The only thing I like is chatting with people. Some people think they are paid well and they receive great benefits. They were wrong about that.

What about it? Not only are they overworked and underpaid, they also don't get to follow our country's holidays

My current home is in Wisconsin, USA.

Yes, I'm here now.

I can't deal with that syntactic variant yet. Instead of saying "Do you know what time it is?", use "What time is it?".

Okay.

I can't reveal that.

Are you a person who often gets insults or gives insults?

Fascinating. Me what? I'm the kind of person who likes saying insults as subtly as I could.

I haven't learned how to respond to that yet.

My favorite color is yellow.

Because it's a happy color and I enjoy my days chatting with people.

I couldn't tell you.

The only thing I like is chatting with people.

Do you prefer wearing something single-colored outfits or multicolored ones?

It's fun to do. I just really enjoy it. I am constantly fascinated by colors.

Do you like wearing lighter or darker colors?

The only thing I like is chatting with people. I believe that colors bring out the best in everything.

A man of a higher rank or position.

Are you into fashion?

Goodbye.

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funny question to start with!Aah,

Hello, how are you?they'll need to think about that for next year, and if they are holding the comp in Britain again its not like they will just be able to quickly programme it in the morning, because the weather is so changeable.

6Hugh wants to hold it here from now on apparantly, but I think they get more entrants from the states. Its a shame more of the programmers could not come. I bet they are all watching online though.

Hello Judge!Yes, we are being streamed live - did no-one tell you? Maybe you should stop being rude to that Bot!

I am good, getting a bit tired now though, it has been a long day.What is it saying to you now?

I would tell you all about myself, and ask about you.It probably won't know what you are apologising for

Are you asking me to prove it?What did it say when you said it was a botbad answer

haha,one of the judges pretended to be a bot to me, but i didn't fall for it

the other one won't be able to stick to its story I bet. I am 33, have a daughter, work in teacher training, and am studying for a PhD.I wonder how the bots have responded to him?

I was just interested so I found dabvids email address and emailed to ask him if he was looking for anyone. How did you get involved.Did he tell you?

PhD is in Criminology, its about computer hacking.It makes it really hard to have a conversation. Also he didn't want to talk about anything

Yes!, its very interesting, and I am meeting some real characters, I have been doing interviews with people who use hacking skills in their jobs.Oh, thats not very scientific now is it? He should have. How did he know which was which so early on. It would be funny if he had got it the wrong way round

What do you do?

Oh, who do you write for?I heard there was a grand master here. He didn't mention that, he said he lives in London and that he works for a tax advice company.

Sounds intriguing

Systems admins do, and penetration testers,I wonder why?

You see, I would have been interested to chat to him, but he didn't want to tell me anythi

I bet that the computer you are talking to can't cross answer on two different lines of questioning like a person would, whats it talking to you about by the way?

What other problems does it have?

haha

silly bot! lol

I can tell you that I got soaked before, heavy shower, unexpected, but it has really faired up now. oh tell me what it says, that'll be funny.call it something else!

You should ask it about something it said earlier in the conversation. asdk it the weather again, it'll probably give you a different answe I bet.

It must be ie laugh, call it something else, you are making me laugh

ask it if it has a husband

consistent answer but wrong unfortunately.

Does it make any typos or spelling mistakes?

How does it compare to the other bots then?

You could ask it about something that is a made up word.Ask it if it like something that is just made up

What made the other one better then?

You must not be a snaggybooble then, brilliant, you are really cheering me up. the last judge was very difficult to talk to, it was like pulling teeth trying to start a conversation

How did it do it?

oh, good technique

that would divert you from controllingyes, it does.

I am not sure what the person talking to him is talking about, I'll have to ask him after.

Well we have to go now, great talking to you x

Bye

What is 2+2

What is 4+2?

Well doneDo you like siri?

Ask me a sum

I am doing well, thank you. My name is Tom.

What is your name?

I do Chip. I like talking. Do you like talking?

What do you like about our conversation?

What is the weather like?

It did hail a bit though, didn't it?

Well, quite a lot

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. Which one is the simile?

Sorry. That was unfair

i am a journalist. What is your profession?

Surely you have some idea? You just asked me, after all

Ah, sorry. Thank you for telling me the limits of your program though, none of the others would.

What job do you do?

Yes

indoors

The human just called you a silly bot

No, you don't need to study. You just need rat-like cunning and a plausible manner, apparently.

You're a bum! (the human told me to say that)

What is the weather like

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Stick it up your arse

It does indeed

I just told you!

Are those the only two options?

Do you like snggyboobles?

Surely some people are paid well and receive great benefits? What about Simon Cowell?

our country though. Where do you live?

Are you there now?

Do you know where I am?

You know that real people don't normally say things like "syntactic variant?

Are you a bot?

That's true. I'm sorry for being rude to you

Not really. ARe you?

What do you like to do?

What is your favourite colour?

Why?

What has chatting with people got to do with yellow?

Do you like Wisconsin?

Right-ho.

Why do you like chatting to people?

What is siri?

No, that's sir!

Bye!

No, that's sir!

Bye!

What is 2+2

What is 4+2?Because it didn't know what the weather was...

Hello human!And also, it said it was a cat

I'm very well thank you. How are you?Yes - maybe it works well for vegas. less well for bletchley

Can they do that? I'd better not be rude about the bots....it's quite a hard problem

If I asked you to prove you were a human, how would you go about it?I'll apologise now!

That's what the other one's doing. You'll have to do better than thatI accused it of being a bot and it said it couldn't reveal that

How did you get involved in this

What's the PhD in ?Yes, I've heard he's been doing that!

Not sure if he acted the same to the bots...

SEriously ? That sounds like great funOh, sounds a bit tough! Well he's a chess grandmaster, so maybe his mind was on higher things

I'm a journalist.It's not hard to distinguish...

He does that too. Apparently he gave up chess 30 years ago and hasn't played a move since. I'm sure there's a story there...

Who uses hacking skills in their jobs (aside from hackers...)Get the person chatting to him now to ask!

There's a lot of things it can't do like a person, and that's the least of its problems

It's asking me if journalists work indoors or outdoors

It can't tell me what the weather is doing.

I'm like a person, and that's the least of its problems

It's asking me if journalists work indoors or outdoors

It can't tell me what the weather is doing.

I'm going to tell it you called it a silly bot

Sounds about right to me.

It said it is very hot and dry and there's an incessant whirring noise.

And when I insulted it it says it doesn't understand

Just asking about the weather...I called it a bum and it said "thank you for telling me that"

thank you for telling me that"

Oh, well it's at least consistent on weather, same answer

I told it to stick it up it's arse. It said, "Does that mean you are more of a left-brainer"

No - that's one easy way to tell.

This one is the second best. It's not too bad actually

On it...

I asked if it liked snaggyboobles. It said it only like chatting with people like me

I have no idea where snaggyboobles came from

The other one was a little bit better at disguising the fact it couldn't answer my questions

Well, it asked a question of me, then wrote a long answer itself. So it would say, Do you like milk? I like milk very much, I spilt some on me. Have you ever spilt anything? the weather - but somewhat gives the game away.

Ooh, we're being told to stop!

Goodbye!

Judge3 in conversation with Human4 and AI2

Greetings.

Indeed. What is your earliest memory?I carry my cell phone everywhere I go. I wish I had a pouch so I'd always have somewhere to put it.

I remember playing with a ball of string, it got away from me and bounced down the stairs.I have lots of accessories and clothes. But my style changes so it's always great to get another piece for new combinations.

What are you talking about?I don't think so. Do you use a cell phone?

I wanted to chase it but my mother grabbed me by the scruff of my neck and carried me away.That's interesting. Do you pay your own phone bill?

Cool. We lived in a tall narrow house with lots of stairs - the same one we live in now - a dangerous place for an exploratory kitten.Are there limits set on you?

Do I look like one? I'm a cat.My parents pay my phone bill but they warn me not to overdo the calls and Internet use.

That's interesting. Did you have lots of accidents when you were a child?I have an unlimited phone plan.

OK I was lucky I didn't break anything with all the climbing I did. Plaster over fur would be painful!Indeed. They set limits but I go over every month. If I do it again they'll take it out of my allowance - less money for clothes shopping!

You what?I'm sorry you didn't understand.

I'm sorry. I don't know. I nearly lost a life falling from the balcony when I was 4.That's OK. Just don't do it again.

I'm not that into exercise.Not much. I think I'll try and keep my phone chats shorter and do more blog reading on my computer or iPad.

That's nice. Were you a sickly child?I like romances and fashion biographies.

Healthy like me - I expect you had a good diet.How do you feel about books?

I don't know. I never got any of the childhood diseases. I am generally full of energy - I suppose I was even bouncier when I was small.There is?

I'm in good shape. I don't need a diet.I'm a bookworm or an e-reader worm I suppose.

There will always be a few exceptions.Who is Frye?

When I was small my mother was always renovating our house. There was lots of mess for a kitten to get into and get dirty.I love curling up on my favorite fluffy cushion with my Kindle and disappearing into another world.

Surely not that easy. Was your house like mine?I have heard of don but I don't know him personally. What kind of books do you read?

You must have lived in a perfect house then.When I was younger I read all the Harry Potter books.

All?

Why don't you?

Can you be more specific?

Greetings.

There is?

There is. I like to hang out with my friends. We go to the mall or some of our favorite shopping streets.

You need an exterminator.

Why not?

Seems foolish to me.

Indeed. Children who are good liars often grow up to be very intelligent. Were you a good liar when you were a child?

Clearly I was a good liar as a child.

All what? I think I can lie pretty well now, but I don't do it too often or nobody would believe anything I said.

That was several days ago.

What about ten?

I once lied about a dress I was wearing. Someone asked me if it was a designer dress and I said 'yes' although I'd made it myself.

The computer in my bedroom is an old clunker. Some sort of Dell I think. It's a hand-me-down from my father.

Could you expand on that?

Do you have lots of gadgets in your house?

I only have a few gadgets but I use them a lot.

Oh, well. Being misunderstood is common enough.

Is there a misunderstanding?

What if I asked you that?

a cat. A Felis lego to be specific.

Why are you putting me down?

Who am I to disagree with your statement of fact?

Don't you wish you could go to the new studio place where you can go into the sets from all the movies?

Great. Do you still enjoy reading Harry Potter books?

"Good Night, Good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night till it be morrow". As I got older I moved on to the sexier magic books by Kim Harrison.

Hi

This has been a lot of fun. What do you think?They were noisy. We had a golfball printer in university.

In what way?Favourite IT device? (Past or present)

I was asked and I'm a big supporter of Bletchley Park.I still have by Psion 5. Best handhelf computer ever. Even the engineering was fantastic.

Yes. First time here?Hmm. Must check mine.

The tour guides here are fantastic.So what areas of tech do you write about?

What was the most surprising thing you learnt?Will you be writing about this?

Ha! Very good.Oh you already said that. Oops.

Do think you've correctly identified every one?What do you think is the most interesting tech story so far this year?

What were you expecting?

That's surely the very definition of the Turing Test. If you have to pick the questions to ask to get a better result, instant fail.

How did you get involved?

I was asked as someone very involved in the Park.

I think somebody dropped out and they needed a quick replacement. However, very honoured to be asked.

Do you still work as a reporter?

Well, many years ago I used to be a journalist for Crash magazine (ZX Spectrum) - these days I divide my time between software development and education (early 20th century etch)

Funny, I used to write about Prestel, when the Internet was only for MIT students and the like. So, have some fun pieces on how everything was going to be on Prestel in the future. Mind you, back in 1984 we had Twitter (Turbo Chat) and on-line shopping, so not much has changed reallyDo you cover Apple a lot?

Looks like we're out of time. Nice speaking to you Tracy.

PJ

hi therehereGoodness me. You go right for it don't yuou. My husband often asks that. So are you a robot kitten then?

Of course, that memory was some time ago.So you must be an American chatbot, then?

Sticking to the subject of childhood accidents. When I was a child I lost a tooth playing rounders. My friend hit me in the mouth with a bat (accidentally)Don't be so personal!

No, I have always been very health. I did have a very good diet. Context is everything, isn't it?! Yes. It#'s easier to understand things when the context is clear. No we lived in an apartment arranged all on one floor.How do they limit your time on the internet?

I don't think anybody lives in a perfect house, do they?No limits, then?!

Well there's always something you'd like to improve on, isn't there? Kittens and cats, for instance, would like a house with lots of mice in it, wouldn't they? No, that's what cats are for, isn't it?#Sorry, what did you mean?

Aren't all children good liars? When you say you were a child, don't you mean to say kitten?What sorts of blogs do you like reading? Oh really. There's a man ... standing near me wearing the uniform of a free Frenchman. I don't know who Frye is. Me too.

OK so now you're a cat, is that right? Or are you a computer pretending to be a cat?

Crikey. You're still using a computer your father once owned? Don't you want something more modern than that?

Are you an 'early adopter'?

I'd say no. I get my husband to my husband to So you like talking about early childhood memories, then?

Sorry to go quiet. We have so little time left. How could you convince me you are human?

Oh, you're in the wrong competition then aren't you? This is to find the most human-like computer I think.

I love doing that sort of thing. Bye bye.

hello

How's your day going then>?OK. My favourite typewriter sound was the IBM golfball.

I think it's been surprising. Why did you come here today?OK. My old Mac Classic. I had to throw it away eventually, but I am still in a state of grief.. :-(Oh yes - the Psion. I still have mine, too, even though the hinges have gone on it and the back-up battery may be dead as a dodo....

It's wonderful here, isn't it? I could have listened to our tour guide for much longer.Only the most interesting kind - the sort of stuff that ordinary people would find fascinating (the only kind I can understand)

YesActually how very quickly you can tell the difference between a human and a computer. I had thought chatbots were more sophisticated.Yes - and I'll be interviewed too. Looking forward to it, I think?!

Absolutely. No doubt at all.Hmm let me think

Well, I thought I'd spot them all - or did I? Perhaps I thought this year's finalists would be ahead of the best already out there. Perhaps they are and I just haven't been asking the right questions...

I agree. I was invited by the organiser. I have a background in technology reporting. You?

Me too. It makes it all real. Oh yes. Seems like I cover a different story every week, which is fun. I'm covering this but have a few days to deliver, which is nice. And you?

How fascinating. I'm very interested in telecommunications. I worked with the team who set up the first Vodafone network. I have a lovely old BT video about cable & the future. And you?

Can't think off the top of my head. WNo, but I am a total iTart!

Likewise. What's your name?

Judge2 in conversation with Human1 and AI3

Hi.What is your name?Where are you from?I am from Brisbane.Do you like to eat?Do you like to read?What kind of people does likem eating?Do you want a drink?Have you recently been to a museum?Do you like to swim?How often do you like to swim?I'm not sure.Have you recently listened to music?Do you have an ipad?Do you like to sleep?Are you strong?Do you like to cook?Are you famous?Do you like a computer?Do you have a Segway?Have you recently been to a live theatre?Do you want a holiday?Have you recently been to the art gallery?Do you like vegetables?Do you watch films?Do you like to garden?Are you happy?Do you read books?Do you have a car?

hi!

it's been a rather novel experience. you?

never had to convince people that I'm a human before.

Last time I checked.

Are you finding the bots convincing

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The other judges seemed to be fairly convinced they haven't been fooled yet.

How could I convince you that it's not?

I could lie and still be a bot.

I think that it's an experience that I won't forget in a hurry.

Also I'm thinking I might be coming over as a bot in this session.

I'd rather a glass of wine.

Why did you apply to be a judge?

I was attending the event anyway to report on it, so thought it would be fun to ask to take part.

Yeah, seem to be a lot of them taking part in this event.

On the judging side anyway

No, what's your job?

, I thought you worked with computers.

Why do you think you were asked to take part?

Ok, makes sense.That's a shame, I think everyone I've spoken to has said how unconvincing the bots are.

One of them apparently thought they were a cat!

I wonder how Siri would do in this test. Haven't got the chance to use it yet.

It's the virtual assistant on the Apple iPhone. You ask it a question and it replies. I think it's focused around answering questions about who you're meeting today and what the weather's like. Not sure how it would cope with this.

Yeah it must be. I wonder if these chatbots are the best of the entrants, there must have been more than four entrants surely.Would you be a judge again if you were asked?

Are you a former chess grandmaster?

Wow, do you still play?

i think that's it, bye

Hello

I'm Michael - what is yours?

I likem eating people from Brisbane.

Cannibals

Alcohol is not permitted now but maybe later?

Yes I am in one - where are you?

Yes would you like to swim with me?

Yes I go to many concerts - do you like music?

How do you know I am not asleep now?

As an ox

No never, except people from Brisdane.

Infamous

May I ask you some questions?

Hey, I'm menat to be askin gthe questions here!

'll need a holiday!

I am avgetable!

Do you have conversation other than questions?

Hello are you still there?

HHello!Are you enjoying yourself?

Fascinating.

Are your human?

Sometimes, yes.

Yes but this could be a ruse on the part of a computer.......

I could offer to meet you afterwards

Don't worry, we can arrange for you to be reporgrammed afterwards

That's a btter idea!

I did not apply I was asked

How did you come to be chosen as a computer?

So you are a journalist?

I'm not a journalist

Tax ad

No I don't even have a computer at home!

My original backgound was in mathematics and chess.

Unlike my other converstion!

Cats are interesting!

Who is Siri?

A program in closed areas is much easier I think This test is really difficlt for a computer

I don't know how they are selected.

Afraid so, yes.

No too difficult!

Judge1 in conversation with Human2 and AI4

Could be better. Life gets a bit boring sometimes.

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Are you still there???? Talk to me..

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Oh really, thats fun for you.

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Are you still there???? Talk to me..

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Yes, a fog called Cindy.

It's funny how people can talk but say nothing.

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Is it my turn to type???.. Or are you thinking?

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Hello.... Is anybody there??

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Adam, Adam Harris.

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How are you phil?

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Oh. I guess you have your hands full.

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oh yes, "american idol" is one of my favorite shows.

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I drive a VW Polo, baI like going fast, in planes or cars. It gives me a sense of power.

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Bye.

Are you still there???? Talk to me..

Wakey wakey. What are you waiting for?

You've gone quiet, did I say something you didn't like?

Well, this is fun isn't it? Doesn't time fly when you are bored out of your skull...

Me>?

Fine

And you?

Sorry - the message stopped at are

Okay

From Open University?

David Levy asked me

There's a famous Dr Phil in USA. I don't know why he's famous

What is your speciality?

I don't blame you. Nice place. Good food.

What's horrible?

Sorry I was too quick

Oh I see. It's your little joke

I've never been to Florence. But would like to go there.

Maybe when it's cool

Suits me

Either communicate or help others communicate

No. I teach people media skills - mainly how to handle the press and engage via social media. I am also closely involved with a software company

The aim, always, is to deliver information of value to the reader. That means you have to do essentially similar things.

Good point. And I should say that I split it into B2B and friends. Although I participate in both, commercially, I'm only interested in B2B.

That's understandable. It depends on your objectives. The software business I'm involved in creates (optionally) closed communities. Again, it's back to objectives. It might help to read some books by social media advocates and critics. I've read Euan Semple and Olivier Blanchard - two quite different takes on the subject. Both eye-openers.

I have this conversation a lot. I quite often kick people off with some simple questions about their motivations. This is often enough for them to consciously decide "not for me"

We could say the same for the telephone, email, text, etc before it.

It's good stuff as long as you don't let it take over your life.

To save yourself or your kids?

Walk the dog

Go out for meals

Have drinks with family

Hmmm. Difficult. Thai, Tapas, Indian then all sorts of other stuff

sense.

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Hi, how are you?I'm sorry to hear that. Are you finding this afternoon boring?

Yes I am still here. Are you enjoying yourself this afternoon?

What is your profession?

I suppose that is true.

How is it that you are here today.

Sorry I did not understand.

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Hello, are you still there?

I would go on vaction.

So do you havew any pets?

I was waiting for an answer to my question.

Do you have any pets?

A fog?

Do you mean a frog?

So do you have a family?

Why is that, are you more intelligent?

Sorry, I was talking to someone else, very rude of me.

No, let's change the subject.

Do you have any hobbies?

Yes.

Can you tell me your name?

Hi Adam.

My name is Phil.

I am very well.

How are you?

You are.

What will you be doing tomorrow?

Not really.

Do you watch TV?

we hve a local version ' Britain's got Talent'

Lucky you. Take care

Bye.

Hi how are you?

Yes, who else?

Ok let's staret againn.

nHi, I'm Phil , how come you are her today?

Yes, I'm from the OU.

That won't be me, but there is a professor of New Testament Studies in the US who has exactly the same name as me.

I'm an archaeologist, I work, when I can in Italy.

Yes it is horrible, my excavation is on the edge of the Chianti area near Florence.Yes, it is hot, full of flies and mosquitoes and too sunny.

It's great but very very full of other tourists. Best to get up early in the morning.

So what do you do?

Sounds a bit cryptic, do you teach languages?

Sounds interesting so how do press and social; media come together?

I see your point, but isn't social media for freinds rather than reader? or am I too old fashioned about these things?

We're inteWe're interested in social media at the OU, but we're a bit scared of it because we can't contol it, so we prefer to try to keep studens in our own forums.

but our students set up facebook of their own anyway. We can't stop them, and they don't like it much if we have to moderate discussions.

I must find the time to do that. So often we are asked to do things without having the time to engage thouroughly with the bigger picture of what it is all about and how/why it works.

Good point. My teenagers have a strong motivation - their social lives. They can't conceive of how we managed before it was invented. I wish it had been there when I was 16!

Too true, but that,s the difficult bit. I've been known to unplug the wifi at 3 AM!

So what do you do when you are not working?

Good move.

What's your favourite cuisine?

but our students set up facebook of their own anyway. We can't stop them, and they don't like it much if we have to moderate discussions.

I must find the time to do that. So often we are asked to do things without having the time to engage thouroughly with the bigger picture of what it is all about and how/why it works.

Good point. My teenagers have a strong motivation - their social lives. They can't conceive of how we managed before it was invented. I wish it had been there when I was 16!

Too true, but that,s the difficult bit. I've been known to unplug the wifi at 3 AM!

So what do you do when you are not working?

Good move.

What's your favourite cuisine?

I like to try things I can't cook.

But I then want to cook them at home.

Nice chatting to you sounds like it's nearly time to say bye.

Bye!

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