UNAPPROVED MEETING MINUTES BSI IST/5-/15 (POSIX) PANEL Date: 10th September 1993 Location: Hampden House, London Those Present: Dave Cannon (Chair) University of Exeter Martin Kirk X/Open Ros Allen BSI Peter Owens CCTA Colin O'Driscoll NCC Papers before the meeting: P220 Agenda IST/5/15 Meeting 10th September 1993 P221 Unapproved Meeting Minutes: IST/5/-/15 28th May 1993 P222 Ballot Group Invitations P1003.46, P1003.12 23rd July 1993 P223 Current POSIX Drafts P224 Disposition of Comments for 9945-2 POSIX P225 Liaison Statement to OIW OSE-TC and AOW OSE Group July 1993 P226 Report to IST/5 0. Apologies were received from: Hugh Fisher, David Browbridge, Neil Keskar, Dan Chacon. 1. Adoption of Agenda P220 The agenda was agreed with the addition of an item on ODP CT methodology. 2. Approval of Minutes P221 The minutes were approved. 3. Matters Arising ACTION: Dave Ferbrache is willing to be the IST/5/-/15 rapporteur to RGSEC. (Chair to write requesting support from DF's employers) ACTION: Chair has not yet been able to contact Gregor Leijonhufvud about SC22 on ad-hoc character sets. ACTION: LIS Proposal - IST 5 position is now to accept "Language Dependent Drafts" as candidates for full IS standards where LIS drafts are not available. This position will go forward to be ratified as the UK national position. - Closed. ACTION: Request for line numbers in 9945-2 passed to technical editor. - Closed. ACTION: Dave Cannon to follow up Rigorous Conformance in POSIX 1003.1 and WG15. Still open. Next IST5/-/15 meeting will discuss this issue in greater detail. (See below.) ACTION: Comments on P215. No comments received. - Closed. ACTION: TR 10000. Dave Cannon has contacted Teddy Ngosi of IST/-/2 and has passed on a copy of TR 10000-3 to Derek Jones. - Closed. 4. Progress of ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 Consideration of ISO Ballots P224 Final ballot of IS 9945-2 was approved by 25 votes to 1. The Disposition of Comments for 9945-2 POSIX 'Shell and Utilities' was circulated. IS 9945-2 was approved in June. The Project Editor proposes that the US Development Body should adopt all open issues for inclusion within the work for P1003.2b. Normative changes to IS 9945-2 that are incorporated into P1003.2b may be brought forward for the revision of IS 9945-2 in three years time. The IEEE has agreed to the modification of Annexes G and H, as these are essentially informative annexes supplied by Denmark and WG 15. Status Report of SC22/WG15 Actions: 9305-01 A report further scoping N347 will be available for the Annapolis meeting. 9305-08 No candidate available from the UK - Closed. 9305-28 UK Profiles for Welsh etc. Action open pending contact with Gregor Leijonhufvud. Rot.003 No comments on EWOS Guide on Profiles received - Closed. 9305-42 Covered under matters arising. - Closed. 9305-45 See under matters for UK Position on LIS Standards. Follow-up action on UK attendees at next WG15 meeting shall actively pursue the production of Language Dependent Full IS Standards where LIS specifications aren't available. Dave Cannon to speak to JM Cornu from AFNOR about potential problems. 9305-50 Closed 9305-61 No concerns have been expressed at this stage of profile development about advancement of POSIX Profiles. - Closed. 9305-64 The list of probable attendees at the Annapolis meeting will be Dave Cannon, Colin O'Driscoll, Martin Kirk, Pete Owens, Dan Chacon. 5. Progress of IEEE TCOS P1003 P222 Consideration of IEEE Ballots ACTION: Dave Cannon to send copy of ballot invitation for security additions to P1003.1 and .2 to David Ferbrache. Status Report of IEEE PASC P1003 P223 The LIS requirement for new IEEE POSIX standards has now been removed. Existing LIS work will be taken forward for IEEE standardisation, but will not have precedence over existing "thick language binding" standards. (This is particularly of relevance to P1003.1 - 1990 which is a C binding.) Roger Martin has been actioned to review the structure of PASC due to the increasing problems of co-ordination between working groups. IEEE 1003.7.3 has been approved as a new PAR. There is an ongoing debate concerning the re-organisation of P1003.7 work. 2003.0 is at Draft 0.2. It includes extensions to the coverage of P1003.3 - 1991 and attempts address some of the comments and objections to P1003.3 that have been raised during the ISO ballot process. There is a disagreement between EWOS and OIW over the issue of what constitutes an OSE profile. Draft 15 of P1003.0 used the phrase "POSIX OSE profile", whilst Draft 16 talks about 'OSE'. This creates a problem because the P1003.0 approach is opposed to subsetting of base standards and "looking inside the black box". This is not necessarily the approach that has been taken within other OSE standardisation efforts. ACTION: Dave Cannon to discuss problem with US Delegation before next WG15 meeting. 6. Rapporteur Groups Security RG No report. Verification Jerry Powell is new convenor of RGCT. The disposition of comments for the the CD ballot was produced at the Heidelberg meeting and will be taken into acoount by the P2003.0 group. ACTION: Colin O'Driscoll to talk to P2003.0 about UK proposal on Open Systems Assessment Methodology. Internationalisation P225 ACTION: Dave Cannon to pass document to Greger for comment. 7. Liaison with Other Committees and Panels IST/5 P226 Major item of discussion was on the ballot for IS 9945-2. (See above.) IST/-/2 No report IST/5/-14 There was a brief report from Ros Allen on the WG14 meeting. IST/21 There will be a special meeting of IST/21 to look at the standardisation of APIs and the NP on Open Systems Assessment Methodology. ACTION: Colin O'Driscoll to pass on comments to Dave Cannon re this proposal. ECMA: PCTE has been proposed for fast tracking as an IS. SGFS: No report. 8. Any Other Business Concern was expressed by Colin O'Driscoll about the NP developed by IST/21 concerning Open Systems Assessment Methodology. (ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC21 N 8010 BSI 93/653224) His comments follow: 'Whilst the NP is a good idea in principle, the proposal is very narrowly focused on OSI testing methodology. For example there is no commitment to liaison with the IEEE over this work, although there is liaison with the Internet Society planned. The authors of this NP believe that ISO/IEC 9646-1 and their own background work are a sufficient basis for a WD on conformance assessment for the whole of Open Systems. There is no mention of any of the relevant POSIX documents such as P1003.3, the Test Assertion Standards or the work being done by P2003.0.' Dave Cannon will attempt to move the next panel meeting to Friday 19th November. Next meeting will take an agenda item on application conformance testing.