Plenary meeting

Date:	Oct. 20-22, 1997
Location:	Nav Canada (formerly Transport Canada) Training Inst.;  1950 Montreal Road; Cornwall, Ontario - Canada +1 613-936-5001 fax: +1 613-936-5010
Host Contact:	David Blackwood dave@rc.gc.ca
Chair:	David Blackwood
Vice Chair:	Lowell Johnson			Secretary:		David Blackwood
Convenor:	Jim Isaak	USA	+1 508-264-7678		j.isaak@computer.org
WG15 Secretariat:	Gloria Maille	USA	+1 508-264-7681		maille@ljo.dec.com

Agenda ad hoc	Oct 20	9:30-10:30 AM
National Profile Meeting	Oct 23	9:00 AM to 5:00 PM

WG15 Plenary meeting:	Oct 20-22	Starting at	10:30 AM on 20th
		Ending by	17:00 on 22nd

1. Opening of meeting

1.1 Welcome from Host

1.2 Introductions & Roll call of Technical Experts

[ Nobuo Saito, Japan, HoD joined the meeting on Wednesday, October 22, 1997.]

1.2.1 Verification of HoD-PASC distribution

1.3 Selection of Drafting Committee

Jim Oblinger, U.S.
Don Folland, U.K.
Keld Simonsen, Denmark

1.4 Adoption of agenda [N735r2]

1.5 Approval of minutes [N734; wg15 1054/1052]

1.6 Action Items & National Reports

The action items from the May 1997 meeting were reviewed:

Old Action Items from Munich, October 1996:
• 9705-01 Japan and Netherlands - provide URLs and other information they would like posted to the WG15 web page (rolled over from 9510-08 on National Bodies and 9605-01 and 9610-01 on Japan and Netherlands).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Netherlands: http://www.nni.nl/

OPEN - Japan

• 9705-02 Denmark - report at the next WG15 meeting what the state of their LIS work is, and what they expect to be able to accomplish. (Rolled over from 9510-23, 9505-24, 9605-05 and 9610-03).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Expect to accomplish a standard in LIS building on the merged POSIX.1

• 9705-03 Convener - write a cover letter to Member Bodies to consider the general issue of subsetting base standards from within profiles during their review of 1003.13. (Rolled over from 9510-34, which came from RGCPA issue #6, 9605-07 and 9610-05).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - WD 15287-2 cover note provided 2 June 97 to SC22 Secretariat

• 9705-04 U.S. - make all working drafts from the development body available in a manner consistent with the JTC1 on-line access policy. (Rolled over from 9605-16 and 9610-07).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - IEEE policy permits making the documents available through controlled access (password required). The U.S. has requested PASC to make working drafts available as soon as possible. The password to access these files will be freely available to all interested parties

• 9705-05 Netherlands and Denmark - have their technical experts identify any specific elements of the Single UNIX Specification that should be included in POSIX. (Rolled over from 9605-46 and 9610-09).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Netherlands

CLOSED - Denmark - see WG15 N751

• 9705-06 Denmark and Japan - work with the WG15 SGFS liaison (Willem Wakker) to figure out how National Profiles could be incorporated into TR-10000. (Rolled over from 9605-33 and 9610-13).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - TR10000 now handled directly by JTC1

• 9705-07 Denmark - create a proposed scope and purpose for new IEEE 1003.2 utilities, which can then be used for both an SC22 work item and an IEEE PAR. (rolled over from 9605-36 and 9610-15).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see WG15 N752

• 9705-08 Editor of POSIX National Profiles and Locales (Keld Simonsen) - incorporate WG15 N658 into that document. (Rolled over from 9605-48 and 9610-16).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see WG15 N746

• 9705-09 U.S. - provide assistance with the LIS PAR to be revised. (Rolled over from 9605-49 and 9610-17).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Assistance was provided by the PASC Project Management Committee (PMC). The IEEE PASC cancelled the project authorisation for P1372 at the July 1997 meeting. The U.S. will no longer participate in the corresponding JTC1 22.21.01.01 project and recommends that WG15 take whatever action is appropriate

• 9705-10 9945-2 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark Member Bodies. (Rolled over from 9605-53 and 9610-18).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - no meeting held

• 9705-11 9945-2 Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.2c (JTC1.22.43) after a review by the U.S. and Netherlands Member Bodies. (R 96-334). SC22 N2173 (WG15 N683r refers as the ballot comments). (Rolled over from 9605-54 and 9610-19).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN

• 9705-12 9945-1 Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.1e (JTC1.22.42). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S. and Netherlands National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9605-55 and 9610-20).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN

• 9705-13 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.1g Protocol Independent Interface (JTC1 22.21.01.03.03). (R 96-345). (Rolled over from 9605-71 and 9610-25).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - seeWG15 N736

• 9705-14 Project Editor (Martin Kirk) - call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1387.4 Print Administration (JTC1 22.15068-4). (R96-345). (Rolled over from 9605-73 and 9610-26).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see email SC22WG15.1041

• 9705-15 Member Bodies - Review the Web pages, especially the document on Cultural Convention Specifications and report any comments to Keld Simonsen. (Rolled over from 9610-33).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - Canada, Japan, and Netherlands

CLOSED - U.K. and U.S.

U.K. commented that it "would not like to see the POSIX work impacted adversely by any requirement to reverse-engineer this into the POSIX standards, especially since many of the concepts in the document have been discussed at length in both WG15/RIN and WG15 Plenary."

• 9705-16 U.S. - Forward IEEE P1387.3 to the JTC1 secretariat for DIS balloting as soon as possible. (Rolled over from 9610-35).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-17 U.S. - Ensure that IEEE Standard 2003.2 -1996 is forwarded for DIS ballot. (Rolled over from 9610-40).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-18 U.S. - Forward IEEE Standard 1003.10 and Explanatory Reports to SC22 and WG15 for their review and comment. (Rolled over from 9610-44).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN

• 9705-19 U.S. - Forward P1003.13 Explanatory Reports to SC22 and WG15 for review and comment. (Rolled over from 9610-45).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - See also 9705-49.

• 9705-20 Convener - Conduct an electronic ballot on forwarding IEEE Standard 1003.10 and Explanatory Reports to SC22 for PDISP ballot. (Rolled over from 9610-46).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - awaiting receipt of explanatory reports, which are expected within the next week.

• 9705-21 Convener - Conduct an electronic ballot on forwarding P1003.13 and Explanatory Reports to SC22 for Final PDISP ballot. (Rolled over from 9610-47).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - awaiting receipt of explanatory reports, which are expected within the next week.

• 9705-22 Keld Simonsen - Forward SC22WG15.859 to Development body (1003.2), pointing out that this is where WG14 sees possible alignment for additional features which 1003.2 might want to consider in their future work, specifically currency and ISO date formats. (Rolled over from 9610-48).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see CD14652 and WG14 N780 (will be forwarded to P1003.2) See also 9705-31.

• 9705-23 Project Editor (Keld Simonsen) - Prepare an example of an LIS function of 9945-1 using both IDL and LID. Distribute these examples to WG15, requesting Member Bodies to review and comment on the work. (Rolled over from 9610-52).

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN

• 9705-24 Convener - Ensure that SEC N434r3 (Interpretation Guidelines) gets posted to the WG15 Web server. (Rolled over from 9610-58).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-25 Convener - Forward the nomination of Don Folland as Project Editor of JTC1.22.38 and Norm Aaronson as Project Editor for JTC1.22.21.02.03 to SC22. (Rolled over from 9610-63).

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - SC22 approved both editors

• 9705-26 Convener - Forward the disposition of comments contained in resolution 96-354 to JTC1/SC22. (Rolled over from 9610-64)

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED.

New Action Items from Exeter, May 1997:

• 9705-27 U.S. development body - consider and report on the appropriateness of TR10176 and the locale of 14652 as a possible solution to the problem of extended identifiers in 1003.2. The Danish Action Item report, WG15 N723, refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - The P1003.2 committee reported that it believes that the Danish response failed to address the issues raised in IEEE P1003.2/N9612 (also known as IEEE PASC SEC/N620 and ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 US TAG/N594). C and C++ compilers typically specify the single codeset they will use when compiling source code. The POSIX.2 standard utilities interpret the input they read based on the current setting of the LC_CTYPE environment variable. The user is allowed to change both the setting of LC_CTYPE (including changing the codeset to be used) and to define locales to which LC_CTYPE points. As a result, there is no known reasonable way that the "mini-languages" defined by POSIX.2 can recognise extended characters in arbitrary locales. The documents referenced by Denmark specifically address ISO 646 IRV and ISO 10646-1, but POSIX.2 is codeset independent. P1003.2 does not believe TR 10176 and CD 14652 provide any guidance for a general solution to the extended identifiers problem.

• 9705-28 Keld Simonsen - ensure the electronic version of the POSIX 1003.13 profiles presentation, emailed by Jim Oblinger, is made available on the WG15 web pages.  (N665 refers)

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-29 Keld Simonsen - ensure the summary of the option annexes in the POSIX standards as presented in WG15 N732 is made available on the WG15 web pages.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-30 Convener - forward the latest copy of WG15 SD-6 to Keld Simonsen, WG15 webmaster, for inclusion on the protected web pages at dkuug.dk.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-31 Keld Simonsen - Forward the available additional detail on the proposal in email SC22WG15.859 to the Development Body (1003.2), indicating that this is where WG14 and WG20 see possible alignment for additional features which 1003.2 might want to consider in their future work, specifically currency and ISO date formats.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Duplicate of 9705-22, which is also closed.

• 9705-32 U.S. - respond to both the original input (SC22WG15.859) from Keld Simonsen and also to the additional input to be provided as required by AI 9705-31.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see WG15 N741

• 9705-33 Member Bodies - provide feedback to Head of U.S. delegation (Roger Martin) by 11-July as to whether work on 1003.1m (Checkpoint/Restart) and 1003.1p (Resource Limits) should be pursued, and whether new, additional manpower can be provided - lack of extra manpower will result in withdrawal of sponsorship of the IEEE PARs and hence work by the U.S. development body.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED. Japan, The Netherlands, U.S., Canada, Denmark and U.K. reported no manpower resources are available for this work. Withdrawal of this work item was not opposed.

• 9705-34 U.S. - put IEEE 2003 (AKA 13210 Final CD) on-line as a test case for the new on-line document guidelines.

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN

• 9705-35 Convener - to establish a procedure and to remind all Project Editors and Liaisons on 1-September-1997 to submit written reports to be received in time for the following WG15 meeting.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Project Editor Reports received from: Keld Simonsen, Don Folland, Jim Oblinger, Shane McCarron, Martin Kirk, and Ted Baker. Not Received: Stephe Walli, Casey Schaufler, Norm Aaronson, Michael Gonzales, Jay Ashford, Barry Hedquist.

• 9705-36 Keld Simonsen - apply a global edit to the interpretations responses so that they refer to the appropriate ISO standards, and add the resulting document to the WG15 web pages in place of the IEEE-oriented version.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-37 Convener - submit a record of response to SC22, pointing to the interpretations responses/defect reports to be placed on the public WG15 web pages, at:

 

 
 
 
 
 

http://www.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC22/WG15/

CLOSED

• 9705-38 U.S. - forward WG15 N730 to the U.S. development body for its consideration and response. WG15 advises the U.S. that it believes the appropriate target should be the System Services group in IEEE PASC.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-39 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) to hold a editing meeting re work item 22.41 [1003.2b], by the 18 July, to consider WG15 N679, conclude the discussion and create the final Disposition of Comments, and to forward these to WG15 for action.

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - see 9705-10

• 9705-40 U.S. - send the appropriate document corresponding to 22.21.03.02 Batch Services {2d/15a} to ITTF for publication. SC22 N2232 refers as the ballot summary.

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN until receipt by ITTF is confirmed.

• 9705-41 Member Bodies - consider and report to the next WG15 meeting whether 22.21.03.01 (-) System Administration Overview {1387.1/7+} be withdrawn, or whether they can make available resources to progress the work. MBs should note that JTC1 regulations currently indicate that five MBs are necessary to endorse work on a proposed NP.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - IEEE PASC has withdrawn the project. U.K. proposed that the work item be withdrawn. Canada does not support the withdrawal of this work, but does not have the necessary resources to ensure its continuance. WG15 will wait until the next meeting to recommend withdrawal of this work item to give Canada and Denmark further opportunity to identify resources to do the work.

• 9705-42 Project Editor (Jay Ashford) - review the DIS ballot comments on 22.21.03.04 (-2) Software Administration {1387.2/7.2} (when available from SC22) and prepare a Disposition of Comments, if required, for consideration by WG15.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-43 U.S. - ensure the latest User Administration document corresponding to work item 22.21.03.05 (1387.3), is forwarded for submission for DIS ballot before August 1997, in order to avoid a 'Final CD' loop in the ISO balloting process.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-44 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) to prepare a Disposition of Comments relating to the PDAM registration ballot, (work item 22.21.40 Extensions to Real Time) (1003.1d) and forward it to WG15 for consideration.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - The disposition of comments is in WG15 N755.

• 9705-45 Convener - advise SC22 that the document corresponding to 14519 is being fast-tracked and that the 3-year review on this work item is not appropriate.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-46 All Project Editors - ensure they have or obtain the current copy of their documents' source, for archive purposes.

 

 
 
 
 
 

*Keld Simonsen - CLOSED
*Don Folland - OPEN
*Jim Oblinger - OPEN (still trying to recover .10)
Stephe Walli - OPEN
Casey Schaufler - OPEN
Norm Aaronson - OPEN
Michael Gonzales - OPEN
*Shane McCarron - CLOSED
*Martin Kirk - CLOSED
Jay Ashford - CLOSED
*Ted Baker - CLOSED
Barry Hedquist - OPEN

• 9705-47 U.S. - provide the appropriate draft to SC22 for PDAM-1 ballot on 14515-1 Test Methods for Real Time Extensions. (2003.1b), or report back on the status of the work. WG15 N707 is the summary of voting on the registration ballot.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Draft 5 submitted to ITTF for PDAM ballot

• 9705-48 U.S. - provide the appropriate draft of 14515-2 Test Methods for 9945-2 (2003.2), in electronic form, for DIS ballot.

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - U.S. to confirm that it was sent electronically.

• 9705-49 U.S. - circulate the appropriate draft of the Supercomputing AEP, corresponding to WG15 work item 22.15287.01 (1003.10), to WG15 for review and comment. See also AI 9705-19.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - Duplicate of 9705-19, which is still open.

• 9705-50 U.S. - provide to WG15 a final corrected and updated copy of the NP proposal form, describing the "New Project Request: Guide for Developing User Organisation OSE Profiles" for its information, and for reference in its Resolution 9505-365 to SC22.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see WG15 N741

• 9705-51 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - produce a Disposition of Comments relating to work item 22.21.01.03.03 Protocol Independent Interface {1g/12}

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - same as 9705-13

• 9705-52 U.S. - forward Draft 6.6 relating to work item 22.21.01.03.03 Protocol Independent Interface {1g/12} for DAM ballot.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-53 Convener - seek an invitation from the U.S. and IEEE PASC to meet with them at their April 1998 meeting.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-54 Convener - search the SC22 resolutions for a precedent regarding the numbering of the LIS work as 9945-0, and approach ITTF with a request to use that identification.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - There is no existing precedent. ITTF has established policy prohibiting "-0_ designation.

• 9705-55 Member Bodies - seek volunteers for the post of WG15 Convener, to run for three years from September 1998 at the latest. Applicants should have sponsorship from their employers and from their National Bodies.

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN - No candidates have been identified. This action item was further discussed under 3.2.

• 9705-56 Convener - draw up and distribute to WG15 a job description for prospective applicants, describing the duties of WG15 Convener.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see WG15 e-mail 1082. This action item was further discussed under 3.2.

• 9705-57 Keld Simonsen - find and make available on the WG15 web pages a copy of Form 14 for use with all future WG15 defect reports.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-58 U.S. - draw the attention of the development body to the requirement to use Form 14 for all future WG15 defect reports. See WG15 AI 9705-54.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-59 Convener - notify all Project Editors of the WG15 action items which have been assigned to them at this meeting.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-60 Keld Simonsen - ensure that all WG15 Project Editors are included on the WG15 email distribution list.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

Actions corresponding to Resolutions:

• 9705-61 Convener - request SC22 to withdraw project JTC1 22.21.01.03.01 (Transparent File Access) from the scope of work of SC22/WG15. Resolution 9705-361 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - has been withdrawn

• 9705-62 Convener - request SC22 to confirm the nomination of Michael Gonzalez as Project Editor for JTC1 22.21.04.01.01, (IEEE Advanced Real Time Extensions). Resolution 9705-362 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-63 U.S. Member Body - forward the appropriate drafts of P1003.1a and P1003.1j to the SC22 Secretariat for Final PDAM Ballot. Resolution 9705-364 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

OPEN

• 9705-64 Convener - advise SC22 that WG15 is aware that the U.S. Member Body is submitting a proposal to JTC1 for a NWI "Guide for Developing User Organisation Open System Environment (OSE) Profiles", and that WG15 expresses its willingness to accept this work item should it be approved. Resolution 9705-365 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-65 Convener - advise SC22 that WG15 accepts the following listed Defect Reports/Interpretations as being valid input to the interpretation process and accepts the proposed responses. Changes have been made to reference the appropriate ISO/IEC standards in the responses.

 

 
 
 
 
 

ISO/IEC 9945-1:1990 - 01,03,05-08,10-14,16,18,19,23,27,29,30,32,34-41,43-45,47-52,54,56-61,66,67,69-75
Real-Time 01-04,06-11
Real-Time & Threads - 01-04,06-16,18-22,24,27,28,32
ISO/IEC 9945-2:1994 - 01-45,47-116,118-142,145-147
ISO/IEC 19519:1994 - 01-07,09
ISO/IEC 13210 - 01,04,05,07,13-15,17

CLOSED

• 9705-66 Convener - generate a Record of Response for submission to SC22 indicating that the responses to Defect Reports are available on the WG15 Web page (URL http://www.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC22/WG15/). Resolution 9705-367 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - see 9705-37.

• 9705-67 Convener - pass the Synchronisation Plan to SC22 for approval. Resolution 9705-368 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED - It has been approved by all interested parties.

• 9705-68 U.S. - forward the Synchronisation Plan to IEEE for approval. Resolution 9705-368 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-69 Convener - notify ITTF that a printing erratum has been identified in the printed version of 9945-1:1996 2nd Edition, section 5.1.2.4, line 118. In the opendir function, the return value should be "NULL" but is erroneously printed as "-1". Convener to request ITTF to take any action necessary to notify existing purchasers of the standard and all future purchasers. Resolution 9705-369 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED

• 9705-70 U.S. - convey to the U.S. development body at its next meeting that WG15 expresses its concern at the proposal to discuss the cessation of their POSIX standards development work and recommends that the excellent co-operation between WG15 and PASC continue in the area of POSIX standards development. Resolution 9705-370 refers.

 

 
 
 
 
 

CLOSED. This was further discussed in 6.3.

• 9705-71 Convener - Request SC22 to extend work item 22.21.01.01 System Interface LIS {1372} for one further year.

New action items arising from the review of the action items:

Keld Simonsen to forward document WG14 N780 to U.S. development body (1003.2) (9705-22)

WG20 Liaison to contact U.S. development body with regard to the use of extended identifiers in POSIX small languages and to clarify the issues in WG15 N741, the U.S. response to action item 9705-27.

Convener to forward the latest revision of WG15 SD-6 to Keld Simonsen, WG15 webmaster, to replace the existing document on the protected web pages at dkuug.dk. (9705-30)

U.S. to forward comments received in action item reports to U.S. development body. (9705-33)

Re: 9705-41 Canada and Denmark would like to see this work item progress but neither can commit the resources to do so at this time.

Canada and Denmark to investigate whether resources can be committed to further this project.

Convener to confirm that the 1387.1 project has not been withdrawn by SC22.

U.S. to verify the titles of .1d and .1j real time extension documents.

2. Status, Liaison and Action Item Reports [written please]

2.1 Issues List [SD3] ViceChair

Issue 3: No change

Issue 7: No change

Issue 8: Keld Simonsen presented additional information on work being done in this area by WG14 and WG20.

Issue 9: No change

Issue 10: No change

2.2 JTC1 actions affecting group

2.3 SC22 action, Convenor Report [N744]

2.4 Report on IEEE PASC Standards Projects [SD11]

2.5 Liaison & Working Relationship Reports:

2.5.1 WG9/Ada--- RRG Action/Status [e1098/1099]

2.5.2 WG11/Cross Language

Action item on the Netherlands to ask Willem Wakker to be the WG11 Liaison.

2.5.3 WG20/I18n [N747]

Action item on Convener to respond to request re: i18n API's that WG15 does not do programming languages but might use them in profiling.

2.5.4 WG21/C++

2.5.5 SGFS [WG15 1070]

2.5.6 WG22/PCTE [N749]

2.5.7 WG14/C Language [N748]

2.5.8 EWOS Liaison

2.5.9 CEN TC304

Action item on European member bodies (Denmark, Netherlands, and UK) and the Open Group Liaison to identify where in 9945-1 and/or 9945-2 changes may need to be made to accommodate the Euro currency.

2.5.10 X/Open (Category C)

2.6 Editors Reports: [e1091, e1092, e1098, e1099, e1101]

Jim Oblinger - Profiles .10 and .13; .10 published, no requests for interpretations, difficulty in obtaining source; .13 in final IEEE ballot

Jay Ashford - (email SC22WG15.1092) 15068-2 (1387.2) all changes incorporated for publication as an IS, to be posted in PDF format.

Ted Baker - (email SC22WG15.1099) Reaffirmation ballot for .9 and .5; .5 is being integrated with .5b. Document to be fast tracked. Resolution required. .5g, .21 and X modular toolkit projects do not have equivalent ISO projects.

Shane McCarron - (email SC22WG15.1101) IEEE version submitted to IEEE for publication and to ISO for CD registration.

2.7 Defect Reports/Interpretations & Corrigenda [e1107, e1109, e1110, e1111]

3.0 Specific actions for this meeting

3.1 Online WG15 Operations (e1084)

Action item on the Convener to solve this problem, member bodies to research the issues and problems involved and potential solutions that could be implemented.

3.2 Convener Job Description (e 1082)

4.0 Actions Arising from Reports

4.1 Action related to issues

4.2 Responses to JTC1 or SC22 action

4.3 Proposals related to IEEE PASC activities &/or Priorities

4.4 Liaison statements & actions related thereto

4.5 Assignments & actions related to technical editor reports

Action item on U.S. to put ISO amendment numbers (when assigned) on IEEE documents.

4.6 Defect Reports/Interpretations & Corrigenda

Action item on the U.S. and the Open Group on how this may best be accomplished.

9945-2 defect reports have one number with no record of response. This needs to be corrected before they can be processed through SC22 for ballot. This will bring us up to date to last June. WG15 members are welcome to participate in the IEEE interpretations process if they require early access, otherwise they will likely be batched and forwarded to WG15 on a periodic basis. In fact, to avoid discrepancies in the IEEE and WG15 responses it would be desirable if WG15 members did participate in the process as early as possible.

5.0 Project Activities - registration, balloting, content [WG15 SD11, SD 4]
Recommendations for registration, assignment of DoC generation, divisions of work/NP's

5.1 9945-0 LIS System Interface

Draft in progress, Keld Simonsen is technical editor. A working draft is expected for the next meeting. 9945-0 is not an appropriate number and it should be renumbered 9945-3.

5.2 9945-2 Shell & Utilities

5.2.1 22.41 additional utilities {2b} PDAM2:

5.2.2 22.43 Security Amendment {2c/6} PDAM3:

Action item on the U.S. to find out what the results were of the recirculation.

Action item on the Project Editor Casey Schaufler to produce the disposition of comments.

5.3 15068 Administered Systems

5.3.1 22.21.03.01 (- ) Sys Administration overview {1387.1/7+}

5.3.2 22.21.03.04 (-2) Software Administration {1387.2/7.2} e1092

5.3.3 22.21.03.05 (-3) User Administration {1387.3/7.3} DIS

5.3.4 22.21.03.03 (-4) Print Administration {1387.4/7.1} CD:

Action item on the U.S. to identify which draft will be submitted for CD ballot and when it might be received.

5.4 9945-1 C Language Bindings

5.4.1 22.39 Extensions to base {1a} PDAM Reg: (PDAM5)

Action item on Project Editor Stephe Walli to complete disposition of comments.

5.4.2 22.21.40 Extensions to real time (additional real time extensions) {1d/4b} PDAM reg: (PDAM8)

Action item on Project Editor Stephe Walli to complete disposition of comments.

5.4.3 22.42 Security Amendment {1e/6} CD done (PDAM3)

5.4.4 22.21.01.03.03 Protocol Ind. Interface {1g/12} PDAM bal: (PDAM4)

5.4.5 22.21.01.03.03 Adv Real Time Ext. {1j} (PDAM7)

Action item on the U.S. to submit a draft and identify whether or not it is being submitted for Final PDAM ballot.

5.5 14519 Ada Language Bindings

5.5.1 Ada Real Time Extensions {5b} for fasttrack

Yet more real time {.5c}

Either the U.S. should circulate a draft in WG15 and SC22 in preparation for fast tracking an amendment or we should request a NP to move this through the five-step process. There are also additional Ada amendments in process within the IEEE.

Action item on the U.S. for a recommendation on how to progress the various Ada work items.

5.6 14252 Guide to POSIX OSE
22.38 TR14252 Guide to POSIX OSE {0} [e1091] TR 1996 done

5.7 13210, 14515-x Test Methods

5.7.1 22.37 CD13210 Test Methods {2003R} revision

5.7.2 14515-1 Test Methods for 9945-1 - 1990

5.7.2.1 ...1.01 Test methods for 1990 component {2003.1} Done 96

5.7.2.2 ...1.02 Test methods for real time Ext. {2003.1b} PDAM Reg:

5.7.3 14515-2 Test Methods for 9945-2 {2003.2} CD bal:

5.8 Guide for National Profiles & Locales

The Project Editor (Keld Simonsen) has received the document from Japan and applied additional comments received. Guidelines on 10646 have been added as an annex, and the document has been reformatted, edited, and updated. The result is WG15 N746.

At the first meeting in Nashua only five people attended. Very few were interested in developing this document further in PASC and the WG15 ad-hoc meeting to be held tomorrow with decide whether to proceed in PASC or in WG15. A WG15 project has been approved and the document needs to be developed there if not in IEEE PASC. Profiles / guidelines are already available from The Open Group. There is not a lot of industry interest but national bodies are or should be interested, as is CEN. It would have been nice to have discussed this document with SGFS, however they no longer exist. This guide will not be an ISP within the terms of TR10000, which JTC1 now maintains.

5.9 OSE Profiles

IEEE Standard 1003.10-1995 is being distributed to SC22 and WG15 for review and comment. Awaiting explanatory report before sending it for concurrent PDISP registration and Final PDISP ballot.

15287-2 Real Time Profile

P1003.13 Draft 7 distributed for review and comment (WG15 N624). Draft 9 is the current draft. It should now be sent to SC22 for concurrent PDISP registration and Final PDISP ballot.

Action item on the U.S. to forward draft 8 of P1003.13 to SC22 for review and comment and PDISP registration. Draft 9 will later be submitted for Final PDISP ballot.

Action item on the U.S. to investigate and report on the status of .18 and to make a recommendation on a possible division of work.

6.0 New Business

6.1 N743 - SIG_IGN discussion

6.2 N751, N752 -- Unix 98 Utilities and NP for additional Utilities

.2b has been held up too long - 5 years and cannot close because of this expertise issue. The IEEE PASC PAR process requires a draft PAR 45 days prior to the meeting at which it is considered for approval. To ensure the greatest chance of success WG15 N751 and WG15 N752 should be split into multiple small manageable pieces for PAR approval.

6.3 PASC / WG15 Future

In JTC1 there is an emphasis on increased efficiency via the fast track process and other mechanisms. How can we be responsive to both of these requirements?

Denmark feels that work should go forward as it has in the past with amendments to existing base standards. The alternative is to have separate standards for these "extensions". Note: corrections to existing standards should continue to be processed as amendments. This is not in dispute and for example a large portion of .2b falls into this category.

Some efforts may need to be spun off into separate entities and stand on their own. A few of these may be driven by the demands of certain large buyers and may survive for that reason.

A freewheeling discussion ensued including the question of applications conformance.

How may WG15 participants monitor, provide input to, or have impact on the discussions now taking place in PASC?

Resolution required for a WG15 ad-hoc meeting in FL in conjunction with PASC.

7.0 Review/approval

7.1 Resolutions - Drafting Committee

• 97-378 Termination of SGFS Liaison

 

 
 
 
 
 

Whereas Mr. Willem Wakker has served as liaison to SGFS and JTC1 has terminated the work of SGFS;

therefore WG15 expresses its appreciation for Mr. Wakker's outstanding contribution and terminates its liaison with SGFS.

• 97-379 Termination of SC21 Liaison

 

 
 
 
 
 

Whereas Mr. Jerry Powell has served as liaison to the SC21 Special Working Group on Conformity Assessment and Mr. Powell has successfully completed this assignment and liaison is no longer required;

therefore WG15 expresses its appreciation for Mr. Powell's outstanding contribution and terminates its liaison with SC21.

• 97-380 Termination of EWOS Liaison

 

 
 
 
 
 

Whereas Mr. Dave Rayner has served as liaison to EWOS and Mr. Rayner has resigned from EWOS;

therefore WG15 expresses its appreciation for Mr. Rayner's contribution and terminates its liaison with EWOS.

• 97-381 Request ISO to allow Fast track of Amendments

 

 
 
 
 
 

Whereas JTC1 may wish, where appropriate, to expedite the approval of standards using the fast track procedure, and currently it is not permissible to do so for amendments to ISO/IEC standards, Technical Reports or International Standardised Profiles (ISPs);

therefore WG15 requests SC22 to propose a change to JTC1 rules to allow the use of fast track for amendments to base standards, Technical Reports and ISPs.

• 97-382 References to Standards in Defect Reports

 

 
 
 
 
 

WG15 requests the U.S. development body to include references to both ISO/IEC standards and IEEE standards when forwarding defect reports and proposed records of response.

• 97-383 The Go Solo 2 CD

 

 
 
 
 
 

WG15 expresses its thanks to The Open Group for providing the Go Solo 2 CD that provides convenient access to standards documents. WG15 suggests that The Open Group include references to both the IEEE and the corresponding ISO/IEC standards in future Open Group documents.

• 97-384 Forward CD 13210 for DIS Ballot

 

 
 
 
 
 

Whereas Final CD 13210 was approved;

therefore WG15 requests SC22 to forward the IEEE 2003 draft standard for DIS ballot.

• 97-385 ISO/IEC 15287-1 PDISP Registration

 

 
 
 
 
 

WG15 requests the U.S. development body to forward IEEE Std 1003.10-1995 to SC22 for concurrent 22.15287-1 PDISP Registration and Final PDISP Ballot.

• 97-386 ISO/IEC 15287-2 PDISP Registration

 

 
 
 
 
 

WG15 requests the U.S. development body to forward IEEE 1003.13 Draft 8 to SC22 for Review and Comment and 22.15287-2 PDISP Registration. WG15 further requests that 1003.13 Draft 9 be forwarded, when available, to SC22 for Final PDISP Ballot.

• 97-387 WG15 Ad hoc meeting

 

 
 
 
 
 

Whereas WG15 has expressed an interest in the discussions presently occurring within IEEE PASC concerning the future direction of POSIX, and

whereas IEEE PASC is holding the next meeting the week of 12-16 Jan 1998 in Ft. Lauderdale, FL;

therefore WG15 authorises Mr. Roger Martin to convene an ad hoc meeting, 11-12 Jan 1998 in conjunction with IEEE PASC, to discuss the future direction of POSIX and the impact on current and future WG15 work items.

• 97-388 Expression of Appreciation to the Host

 

 
 
 
 
 

WG15 expresses its appreciation to the Nav Canada Training Institute and Revenue Canada, and particularly to Mr. David Blackwood, for hosting an excellent meeting and also to the Standards Council of Canada and Mr. Doug Langlotz for their hospitality.

Appreciations also go to Mr. David Blackwood for acting as Chair and Secretary of the meeting and to Revenue Canada and Nav Canada for supplying the excellent high tech infrastructure on which WG15 has recently come to rely.

• 97-389 Expression of Appreciation to the Drafting Committee

 

 
 
 
 
 

WG15 expresses its appreciation to the Danish, United Kingdom and United States Delegations for supplying volunteers to the drafting committee (Keld Simonsen, Don Folland and Jim Oblinger), and for their excellent and exhaustive work in recording the resolutions from this meeting.

7.2 Action Items - Secretary

Old Action Items from Exeter, May 1997:
• 9710-01 Japan - Provide URLs and other information they would like posted to the WG15 web page (Rolled over from 9510-08 on National Bodies and 9605-01 and 9610-01 and 9705-01 on Japan and Netherlands.)
• 9710-02 Denmark and Japan - Work with Willem Wakker to figure out how National Profiles could be incorporated into TR-10000. (TR10000 now handled directly by JTC1.) (Rolled over from 9605-33, 9610-13, and 9705-06.)
• 9710-03 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark Member Bodies. A proposed record of response has been received via email in WG15 N754. An editing meeting must now be held via conference call or email. (See 9705-10.) (Rolled over from 9605-53, 9610-18, 9705-10, and 9705-39.)
• 9710-04 Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - Call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.2c (JTC1.22.43 PDAM3) after a review by the U.S. and Netherlands Member Bodies. (R 96-334). SC22 N2173 (WG15 N683r refers as the ballot comments). (Rolled over from 9605-54, 9610-19, and 9705-11.)
• 9710-05 Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - Call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.1e (JTC1.22.42). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S. and Netherlands National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9605-55, 9610-20, and 9705-12.)
• 9710-06 Canada, Japan, and Netherlands - Review the Web pages, especially the document on Cultural Convention Specifications and report any comments to Keld Simonsen. (Rolled over from 9610-33 and 9705-15.)
• 9710-07 U.S. - Forward IEEE Standard 1003.10 and Explanatory Reports to SC22 and WG15 for their review and comment. (Only explanatory reports outstanding at this time.) (Rolled over from 9610-44 and 9705-18.)
• 9710-08 U.S. - Forward P1003.13 Explanatory Reports to SC22 and WG15 for review and comment. (See also 9710-43.) (Rolled over from 9610-45 and 9705-19.)
• 9710-09 Project Editor (Keld Simonsen) - Prepare an example of an LIS function of 9945-1 using both IDL and LID. Distribute these examples to WG15, requesting Member Bodies to review and comment on the work. (Rolled over from 9610-52 and 9705-23.)
• 9710-10 U.S. - Put IEEE 2003 (AKA 13210 Final CD) on-line as a test case for the new on-line document guidelines. (Rolled over from 9705-34.)
• 9710-11 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Hold a editing meeting re work item 22.41 [1003.2b], by the 18 July, to consider WG15 N679, conclude the discussion and create the final Disposition of Comments, and to forward these to WG15 for action. (See 9705-10 and 9710-03.) (Rolled over from 9705-39.)
• 9710-12 U.S. - Send the appropriate document corresponding to 22.21.03.02 Batch Services {2d/15a} to ITTF for publication. SC22 N2232 refers as the ballot summary. (OPEN until receipt by ITTF is confirmed.) (Rolled over from 9705-40.)
• 9710-13 All Project Editors - Ensure they have or obtain the current copy of their documents' source, for archive purposes. (Rolled over from 9705-46.)

 

 
 
 
 
 

Keld Simonsen - CLOSED
Don Folland - OPEN
Jim Oblinger - OPEN (still trying to recover .10)
Stephe Walli - OPEN
Casey Schaufler - OPEN
Norm Aaronson - OPEN
Michael Gonzales - CLOSED
Shane McCarron - CLOSED
Martin Kirk - CLOSED
Jay Ashford - CLOSED
Ted Baker - CLOSED
Barry Hedquist - OPEN

• 9710-14 U.S. - Provide the appropriate draft of 14515-2 Test Methods for 9945-2 (2003.2), in electronic form, for DIS ballot. (U.S. to confirm that it was sent electronically.) (Rolled over from 9705-48.)
• 9710-15 All Member Bodies - Seek volunteers for the post of WG15 Convener, to run for three years from September 1998 at the latest. Applicants should have sponsorship from their employers and from their National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9705-55.)
• 9710-16 U.S. - Forward the appropriate drafts of P1003.1a and P1003.1j to the SC22 Secretariat for Final PDAM Ballot. Resolution 9705-364 refers. (Rolled over from 9705-63.)

 

 
 
 
 
 

New Action Items from Cornwall, October 1997:

• 9710-17 Member Bodies - Review and Comment on the proposed disposition of comments in WG15 N754 to the project editor (Stephe Walli) prior to the editing meeting.
• 9710-18 Keld Simonsen - Forward document WG14 N780 to U.S. development body (1003.2). (See 9705-22.)
• 9710-19 WG20 Liaison (Keld Simonsen) - Contact U.S. development body with regard to the use of extended identifiers in POSIX small languages and to clarify the issues in WG15 N741, the U.S. response to action item 9705-27. (See 9705-27.)
• 9710-20 Convener - Forward the latest revision of WG15 SD-6 to Keld Simonsen, WG15 webmaster, to replace the existing document on the protected web pages at www.dkuug.dk. (See 9705-30.)
• 9710-21 U.S. - Forward comments received in action item reports in response to action item 9705-33 to the U.S. development body. (See 9705-33.)
• 9710-22 Canada and Denmark - Investigate whether resources can be committed to further the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project. (See 9705-41.)
• 9710-23 Convener - Confirm that the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project has not been withdrawn by SC22. (See 9705-41.)
• 9710-24 Convener - Forward WG15 N755 as amended to SC22 as WG15's disposition of comments on the PDAM registration ballot for work item 22.21.40 Additional Real Time Extensions (1003.1d).
• 9710-25 U.S. - Verify the titles of the P1003.1d and P1003.1j real time extension project documents.
• 9710-26 Netherlands - Ask Willem Wakker if he would accept nomination as WG11 Liaison.
• 9710-27 Convener - Respond to request re: i18n APIs that WG15 does not do programming languages but that they might be of use in profiling.
• 9710-27 European Member Bodies (Denmark, Netherlands, and U.K.) and on The Open Group - Identify where in 9945-1 and/or 9945-2 changes may needed to accommodate the new Euro currency.
• 9710-29 Convener - Address the problem of online WG15 operations.
• 9710-30 Member bodies - Research the issues and problems involved and potential solutions that could be implemented with respect to online WG15 operations.
• 9710-31 U.S. - Include ISO amendment numbers (when assigned) on IEEE documents circulated within WG15 and SC22.
• 9710-32 U.S. - Report on the inclusion of references to both ISO and IEEE standards in defect reports (R 97-382).
• 9710-33 The Open Group Liaison - Transmit R 97-383 to The Open Group and report back on progress.
• 9710-34 The Open Group Liaison - Provide recommendations on how to handle defect reports on PAS submissions.
• 9710-35 U.S. - Report what the results were of the recirculation of the Security Amendment (.2c).
• 9710-36 Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - Produce the disposition of comments on the Security Amendment (.2c) PDAM3.
• 9710-37 U.S. - Identify which draft of 1387.4, Print Administration, will be submitted for CD ballot and when it might be received.
• 9710-38 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Complete disposition of comments on Extensions to base (.1a) PDAM5.
• 9710-39 U.S. - Submit a draft of Advanced Real Time Extensions (.1j) PDAM7 and identify whether or not it is being submitted for Final PDAM ballot.
• 9710-40 U.S. - Provide a recommendation on how to progress the various Ada work items.
• 9710-41 U.S. - Forward the appropriate draft of CD 13210 Test Methods, when available, to the SC22 secretariat for DIS ballot.
• 9710-42 Convener - Contact SC22 and request that the PDAM ballot on 14515-1 PDAM 1 (2003.1b Draft 5) be cancelled if it has not already gone out.
• 9710-43 U.S. - Forward 1003.13 Draft 8 to SC22 for review and comment and PDISP registration. (See also 9710-08.)
• 9710-44 U.S. - Investigate and report on the status of 1003.18 and make a recommendation on a possible division of work.
• 9710-45 U.S. - Request the U.S. Development Body to make the necessary arrangements to enable a WG15 ad-hoc meeting in conjunction with IEEE PASC at their scheduled meeting in January 1998.
• 9710-46 Roger Martin - Issue a meeting invitation and agenda for the January ad-hoc meeting and to report the results to the WG15 plenary in April 1998.

 

 
 
 
 
 

Actions items arising out of the resolutions:

• 9710-47 Convener - Request that SC22 propose a change to JTC1 rules to allow the use of fast track for amendments to base standards, Technical Reports and ISPs. (R97-381)
• 9710-48 U.S. - Request the U.S. development body to include references to both ISO/IEC standards and IEEE standards when forwarding defect reports and proposed records of response. (R97-382)
• 9710-49 The Open Group Liaison - Convey WG15's thanks for providing the Go Solo CD and suggest that references to both the IEEE and the corresponding ISO/IEC standards be included in future Open Group documents. (R97-383)
• 9710-50 Convener - Request that SC22 forward the IEEE 2003 draft standard for DIS ballot. (R97-384)
• 9710-51 U.S. - Request that the U.S. development body forward IEEE Std 1003.10-1995 to SC22 for concurrent 22.15287-1 PDISP Registration and Final PDISP Ballot. (R97-385)
• 9710-52 U.S. - Request that the U.S. development body forward IEEE 1003.13 Draft 8 to SC22 for Review and Comment and 22.15287-2 PDISP Registration. (R97-386)
• 9710-53 U.S. - Request that the U.S. development body forward IEEE 1003.13 Draft 9, when available, to SC22 for Final PDISP Ballot. (R97-386)
• 9710-54 Roger Martin - to convene an ad hoc meeting, 11-12 Jan 1998 in conjunction with IEEE PASC, to discuss the future direction of POSIX and the impact on current and future WG15 work items. (R97-387)

7.2 Issues List - Vice Chair

8.0 Closing Process

8.1 Future meeting considerations

8.2 Document Number assignment

8.3 Selection of Vice Chair, Secretary for next meeting

8.4 Agenda for next meeting

8.5 Thanks to host

9. Adjournment