N528 - RGCPA Minutes, Oct 1994

RGCPA 041

Rapporteur Group on Coordination of Profile Activities
Whistler 24-25.10.94

1 Opening

1.1 The meeting was opened by Mr. Arnie Powell, the Lead Rapporteur, at 09:15 on 24.10.94 at the Whistler Convention Center, Whistler BC, Canada.

1.2 The attendee list is attached to these minutes (Attachment 1)

1.3 Ron Elliot acted as secretary

1.4 The agenda (RGCPA N039) was adopted without change.

1.5 The Minutes (N035) were approved.

2 Administration

2.1 Action Items
9310-01    Done
9310-02    Open
9310-03    Open
9310-04    Open
9310-05    Open
9310-06    Open
9310-07    Open
9310-08    Open

2.2 JTC1, SC22, or WG15 actions affecting RGCPA
There was a lot of discussion regarding WG14 9405-09, requesting RGCPA to review N461 and report on its applicability to IEEE P1003.0.

2.3 There was a liaison report from OIW.

2.4 Participant Reports: There were no reports offered.

3 Project Activities

3.1 Issues List

The outstanding issues were reviewed and no changes made.

3.2 SGFS was discussed. See Action 94.10

3.3 The disposition of comments (N042) was discussed and resolution 9410-01 was written.

3.4 The SEC approved forwarding 1003.18 and 1003.13 to WG15 for review.

3.5 Test Method Issues: Profile Considerations. No new developments to report.

3.6 Preview of anticipated profiles: We understand that the SEC hs approved distribution of 1003.13 and 1003.18 to WG15 for review and comment.

4 New Business

There was no new business proposed.

5 Review / Approval of Resolutions

The resolutions written were approved.

6 Closing Process

6.1 Future Meetings

The next meeting will be held in Spring 1995 in combination with the WG15 meeting in the Netherlands.

6.2 Document Number Assignment

The document register is attached.

6.3 Agenda for Next Meeting

7 Adjournment

The meeting adjourned at 12:00 on 10/25/94.

RGCPA Action Items

9410-01 Martin Kirk to request X/Open to provide a report of the options in XPG4 that relate to 9945-1:1990

9410-02 US Rapporteur to provide RGCPA with IEEE Profile documents for Review and Comment.

9410-03 French Rapporteur to advise RGCPA on the availability of an English version of the French Guide for Public Procurement, OSE Profiling Activity (N030)

9410-04 US Rapporteur to investigate the concern that the PSC Rules and TR10000 Part 1.3 Section 6.3.1 are apparently in conflict.

9410-05 US Rapporteur to provide the Annex of Options and Parameters in 9945-1 to the Rapporteur for distribution to RGCPA members for their feedback.

9410-06 US Rapporteur to request a presentation of the most appropriate IEEE Profile document at the next RGCPA meeting.

9410-07 UK Rapporteur to report on the status of the Framework for User Requirements (DISC) at the next meeting.

9410-08 US Rapporteur to provide, if possible, the report from the IISP User Requirements meeting to Lead Rapporteur of RGCPA for distribution.

9410-09 RGCPA Members to review and report on TR10000 Parts 1 & 3.

Attachment 1

RGCPA Attendance List
Whistler, October 1994

D. J. Blackwood Canada

R. J. Elliot Germany

A. Powell Canada

Fritz Schulz USA

Attachment 2

RGCPA Resolutions

9410-01 PDTR 14252 "Guide to POSIX OSE" for DTR Registration
In accordance with the synchronization plan which is in effect between IEEE and WG15, WG15 RGCPA recommends that WG15:
1. Approve the disposition of comments as distributed by the WG15 Project Editor (RGCPA N042)
2. Approve the forwarding of the appropriate version of PDTR 14252 for DTR Registration.

9410-02 Thanks to Host
The WG15 RGCPA thanks the Canadian Standards Association for hosting the RGCPA meeting.

9410-03 Thanks to Chair
The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Arnie Powell for chairing the meeting.

9410-04 Thanks to Secretary
The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Ron Elliot for acting as secretary for the meeting.

RGCPA SD-1

RGCPA Document List

Doc# Document Title Date/distributed

1 TSG1 Final Report (Preliminary) 90/09 - 90/12/04

2 FIPS Publication 151-1 90/09 - 90/12/04

3 P1003.18/D3 POSIX Platform 90/09 - 90/12/04

4 EWOS Expert Group on Common Application Environment Interim Report 90/09 - 90/12/04

5 RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda 90/11/26 - 90/12/04

6 Minutes of WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 163) 91/06/03 - 92/01/13

7 Intro for the WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 166) 91/05/31 - 92/01/13

8 SGFS Report (WG15 N191) 91/08/19 - 92/01/13

9 Excerpts from proposed FIPS 151-2 91/12 - 92/01/13

10 Framework for User Requirements 91/12 - 92/03/20

11 Proposed Terms of Reference for RGCPA 92/01 - 92/03/20

12 TR10000-1.3 revision 91/12 - 92/03/20

13 SGFS Report (issues/results) 91/12 - 92/03/20

14 January 1992 RGCPA Minutes 92/01 - 92/03/20

15 PSC Standards Reference 91/12 - 92/03/20

16 PSC Summary of POSIX SP Efforts (P1003.0/D14) 91/12 - 92/03/20

17 IEEE TCOS Balloting Chart 92/03 - 92/03/20

18 X/Open's Response t "Required Interface Definitions" 91/10 - 92/03/20

19 RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda for Oct. 1992 92/10 - 92/10/23

20 Liaison Report on SGFS meeting June 1992 92/10 - 92/10/23

21 EWOS - Method for Developing and Documenting OSE Profiles 92/06/26 - 92/10/23

22 EWOS - The Documentation Structure for OSE Profiles 92/06/25 - 92/10/23

23 Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, Oct. 1992 92/10/24 - 92/11/02

24 RGCPA Agenda 93/05/10 - 93/05/11

25 PSC Policies and Guidelines: SEC N0376 92/11/23

26 ISO/IEC JTC1 SGFS Annex C

27 ISO/IEC SGFS N817 - TR10000-1.3 93/03/25

28 ISO/IEC SGFS N862 - Framework and Taxonomy of International Profiles 93/03/25

29 ISO/IEC SGFS - EWOS comments on Concepts of OSE 93/04/30

30 French Guide for Public Procurement (J-M Cornu) 93/04/28

31 Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, May 1993

32 Netherlands comments on draft 15 of P1003.0 93/04/09

33 Agenda for the RGCPA Annapolis meeting 93/05 - 93/07

34 RWS-TR001 Review 93/04/28 - 93/07

35 Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, October 1993

36 Liaison Statement SGFS N1024 93/09/16 - 93/10/25

37 Draft liaison statement to OIW on SGFS N1024 93/10/07 - 93/10/25

38 RGCPA Major Work Items in progress 93/10/26 - 93/10/26

39 Meeting Notice and Draft Agenda for Whistler Meeting 94/10/20

40 SC22/WG15 RGCPA Report to WG15 94/10/24

41 Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, October 1994 94/10/24

42 Proposed Distribution of Comments to PDTR 14252 94/10/19

43 RGCPA Major Work Items in progress 94/10/25

RGCPA SD-2

RGCPA ISSUES List

OPEN Issues List

9105-02 What is the process for ensuring that user requirements are fully taken into account in profile harmonization
A paper from the UK (DISC) was used as basis for discussion (RGCPA N010). It was suggested that everything be left to SGFS and RGCPA should concentrate on coordination, not investigation. Action 9201.01 and 9201.04 raised to deal with forwarding N010. No feedback received as of 9210 meeting. Action 9310-09 raised.
Status: Open

9105-06 There are no standards for how standards should be subsetted. The "no subsets allowed" principle established by SGFS may not be sufficient.
Reworded at 9201 meetign to read:
What approach, if any, is appropriate for subsetting of WG15 base standards.
PASC has an ad-hoc working on this subject to report back to PASC in 01/94.
Status: Open. We expect that this issue will be resolved by IEEE 1003.13.

CLOSED Issues List

9105-01 Should this group take any action to influence the JTC1 work on organization?
Status:                    Closed by resolution 9105-04

9105-03 How can functional profiles be constructed in areas where standardization work is incomplete, and where there are insufficient standards fully to meet the user need.
Status:                    Closed at 9305 meeting. Resolution 9210.03 (WG15 92-210 (WG15 N326) and action item 9210-49)

9105-04 Is there a hierarchy of standardization, in which ISO standards are used by everyone, and built upon by regional bodies, national bodies and user groups in order to meet local needs?
Status:                    Closed. Passed to SGFS

9105-08 Is it permitted in a profile specification referring to WG15 standards to give a defintion to an option which in the standard was "implementation defined", "undefined", etc.
Status:                    Closed at 9305 meeting. This is not allowed by TR10000 Part 1.

9201-10 Should profiles referring to WG15 standards also refer to OSI standards?
Status:                    Closed. If appropriate then they will be referred to.

9105-05 There is no unifying framework for Application Environment profiles. The lack of one makes standards profiling less effective, and harder, than it could be.
Status:                    Closed at 9310 meeting. SGFS is doing the workk in this area.

9105-07 Should the use of named options be discouraged
Closed at 9105 meeting.
Revisited at 9201 meeting and reworded:
Should the use of named options in POSIX standards be encouraged
There is not sufficient information available at this time to make a recommendation to POSIX. We feel that options should be discouraged but if they are there then they should be named options.
Status:                    Closed at 10/93 meeting. See resolution 93/02.

9201-09 Is WG15 expecting to own any profiles, and if so how are they harmonized?
Reference in the 9201 minutes to Action Item 9102-20 (cannot be found)
Status:                    Closed at 9310 meeting. Resolution 9305-01 was forwarded to WG15. (WG15 Resolution 93-232). See resolution 9310-03.

RGCPA N043

WG15 RGCPA Major Work Items
Progress Report

1. Progression of P1003.0

Expected End Date: DTR expected end 1994

Status: Reviewed and approved PDTR 14252, Disposition of Comments (RGCPA N042). Recommended registration as DTR
(Resolution 9410-01).

2. Coordination and Liaison with Organizations Developing Profiles

Expected End Date: End 1995

Status: Current liaisons with SGFS, Regional Workshops, EWOS, CCTA, NIST, P1003.0, IEEE PASC, X/Open.
Expect to review IEEE P1003.13 and P1003.18 at the next meeting of RGCPA.

1.1	The meeting was opened by Mr. Arnie Powell, the Lead Rapporteur, at 09:15 on 24.10.94 at the Whistler Convention Center, Whistler BC, Canada.

1.2	The attendee list is attached to these minutes (Attachment 1)

1.3	Ron Elliot acted as secretary

1.4	The agenda (RGCPA N039) was adopted without change.

1.5	The Minutes (N035) were approved.

2.1	Action Items 9310-01 Done 9310-02 Open 9310-03 Open 9310-04 Open 9310-05 Open 9310-06 Open 9310-07 Open 9310-08 Open

2.2	JTC1, SC22, or WG15 actions affecting RGCPA There was a lot of discussion regarding WG14 9405-09, requesting RGCPA to review N461 and report on its applicability to IEEE P1003.0.

2.3	There was a liaison report from OIW.

2.4	Participant Reports: There were no reports offered.

3.1	Issues List
	The outstanding issues were reviewed and no changes made.

3.2	SGFS was discussed. See Action 94.10

3.3	The disposition of comments (N042) was discussed and resolution 9410-01 was written.

3.4	The SEC approved forwarding 1003.18 and 1003.13 to WG15 for review.

3.5	Test Method Issues: Profile Considerations. No new developments to report.

3.6	Preview of anticipated profiles: We understand that the SEC hs approved distribution of 1003.13 and 1003.18 to WG15 for review and comment.

6.1	Future Meetings
	The next meeting will be held in Spring 1995 in combination with the WG15 meeting in the Netherlands.

6.2	Document Number Assignment
	The document register is attached.

6.3	Agenda for Next Meeting

9410-01	Martin Kirk to request X/Open to provide a report of the options in XPG4 that relate to 9945-1:1990

9410-02	US Rapporteur to provide RGCPA with IEEE Profile documents for Review and Comment.

9410-03	French Rapporteur to advise RGCPA on the availability of an English version of the French Guide for Public Procurement, OSE Profiling Activity (N030)

9410-04	US Rapporteur to investigate the concern that the PSC Rules and TR10000 Part 1.3 Section 6.3.1 are apparently in conflict.

9410-05	US Rapporteur to provide the Annex of Options and Parameters in 9945-1 to the Rapporteur for distribution to RGCPA members for their feedback.

9410-06	US Rapporteur to request a presentation of the most appropriate IEEE Profile document at the next RGCPA meeting.

9410-07	UK Rapporteur to report on the status of the Framework for User Requirements (DISC) at the next meeting.

9410-08	US Rapporteur to provide, if possible, the report from the IISP User Requirements meeting to Lead Rapporteur of RGCPA for distribution.

9410-09	RGCPA Members to review and report on TR10000 Parts 1 & 3.

D. J. Blackwood	Canada
R. J. Elliot	Germany
A. Powell	Canada
Fritz Schulz	USA

9410-01	PDTR 14252 "Guide to POSIX OSE" for DTR Registration In accordance with the synchronization plan which is in effect between IEEE and WG15, WG15 RGCPA recommends that WG15: 1. Approve the disposition of comments as distributed by the WG15 Project Editor (RGCPA N042) 2. Approve the forwarding of the appropriate version of PDTR 14252 for DTR Registration.

9410-02	Thanks to Host The WG15 RGCPA thanks the Canadian Standards Association for hosting the RGCPA meeting.

9410-03	Thanks to Chair The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Arnie Powell for chairing the meeting.

9410-04	Thanks to Secretary The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Ron Elliot for acting as secretary for the meeting.

Doc#	Document Title	Date/distributed
1	TSG1 Final Report (Preliminary)	90/09 - 90/12/04
2	FIPS Publication 151-1	90/09 - 90/12/04
3	P1003.18/D3 POSIX Platform	90/09 - 90/12/04
4	EWOS Expert Group on Common Application Environment Interim Report	90/09 - 90/12/04
5	RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda	90/11/26 - 90/12/04
6	Minutes of WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 163)	91/06/03 - 92/01/13
7	Intro for the WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 166)	91/05/31 - 92/01/13
8	SGFS Report (WG15 N191)	91/08/19 - 92/01/13
9	Excerpts from proposed FIPS 151-2	91/12 - 92/01/13
10	Framework for User Requirements	91/12 - 92/03/20
11	Proposed Terms of Reference for RGCPA	92/01 - 92/03/20
12	TR10000-1.3 revision	91/12 - 92/03/20
13	SGFS Report (issues/results)	91/12 - 92/03/20
14	January 1992 RGCPA Minutes	92/01 - 92/03/20
15	PSC Standards Reference	91/12 - 92/03/20
16	PSC Summary of POSIX SP Efforts (P1003.0/D14)	91/12 - 92/03/20
17	IEEE TCOS Balloting Chart	92/03 - 92/03/20
18	X/Open's Response t "Required Interface Definitions"	91/10 - 92/03/20
19	RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda for Oct. 1992	92/10 - 92/10/23
20	Liaison Report on SGFS meeting June 1992	92/10 - 92/10/23
21	EWOS - Method for Developing and Documenting OSE Profiles	92/06/26 - 92/10/23
22	EWOS - The Documentation Structure for OSE Profiles	92/06/25 - 92/10/23
23	Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, Oct. 1992	92/10/24 - 92/11/02
24	RGCPA Agenda	93/05/10 - 93/05/11
25	PSC Policies and Guidelines: SEC N0376	92/11/23
26	ISO/IEC JTC1 SGFS Annex C
27	ISO/IEC SGFS N817 - TR10000-1.3	93/03/25
28	ISO/IEC SGFS N862 - Framework and Taxonomy of International Profiles	93/03/25
29	ISO/IEC SGFS - EWOS comments on Concepts of OSE	93/04/30
30	French Guide for Public Procurement (J-M Cornu)	93/04/28
31	Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, May 1993
32	Netherlands comments on draft 15 of P1003.0	93/04/09
33	Agenda for the RGCPA Annapolis meeting	93/05 - 93/07
34	RWS-TR001 Review	93/04/28 - 93/07
35	Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, October 1993
36	Liaison Statement SGFS N1024	93/09/16 - 93/10/25
37	Draft liaison statement to OIW on SGFS N1024	93/10/07 - 93/10/25
38	RGCPA Major Work Items in progress	93/10/26 - 93/10/26
39	Meeting Notice and Draft Agenda for Whistler Meeting	94/10/20
40	SC22/WG15 RGCPA Report to WG15	94/10/24
41	Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, October 1994	94/10/24
42	Proposed Distribution of Comments to PDTR 14252	94/10/19
43	RGCPA Major Work Items in progress	94/10/25

9105-01	Should this group take any action to influence the JTC1 work on organization? Status: Closed by resolution 9105-04

9105-03	How can functional profiles be constructed in areas where standardization work is incomplete, and where there are insufficient standards fully to meet the user need. Status: Closed at 9305 meeting. Resolution 9210.03 (WG15 92-210 (WG15 N326) and action item 9210-49)

9105-04	Is there a hierarchy of standardization, in which ISO standards are used by everyone, and built upon by regional bodies, national bodies and user groups in order to meet local needs? Status: Closed. Passed to SGFS

9105-08	Is it permitted in a profile specification referring to WG15 standards to give a defintion to an option which in the standard was "implementation defined", "undefined", etc. Status: Closed at 9305 meeting. This is not allowed by TR10000 Part 1.

9201-10	Should profiles referring to WG15 standards also refer to OSI standards? Status: Closed. If appropriate then they will be referred to.

9105-05	There is no unifying framework for Application Environment profiles. The lack of one makes standards profiling less effective, and harder, than it could be. Status: Closed at 9310 meeting. SGFS is doing the workk in this area.

9105-07	Should the use of named options be discouraged Closed at 9105 meeting. Revisited at 9201 meeting and reworded: Should the use of named options in POSIX standards be encouraged There is not sufficient information available at this time to make a recommendation to POSIX. We feel that options should be discouraged but if they are there then they should be named options. Status: Closed at 10/93 meeting. See resolution 93/02.

9201-09	Is WG15 expecting to own any profiles, and if so how are they harmonized? Reference in the 9201 minutes to Action Item 9102-20 (cannot be found) Status: Closed at 9310 meeting. Resolution 9305-01 was forwarded to WG15. (WG15 Resolution 93-232). See resolution 9310-03.

Expected End Date:	DTR expected end 1994
Status:	Reviewed and approved PDTR 14252, Disposition of Comments (RGCPA N042). Recommended registration as DTR (Resolution 9410-01).

Expected End Date:	End 1995
Status:	Current liaisons with SGFS, Regional Workshops, EWOS, CCTA, NIST, P1003.0, IEEE PASC, X/Open. Expect to review IEEE P1003.13 and P1003.18 at the next meeting of RGCPA.