| Chair: | Lorraine Kevra (U.S.) |
| Vice Chair: | Patrick Dempster |
| Secretary: | Fritz Schulz (US) |
1.1 Welcome from host
Mr. Robert Pritchard (U.S.) welcomed the participants on on behalf of the host, the U.S. National Body, and IEEE.
1.2 Introductions & Roll Call of Technical Experts
Jim Isaak WG15 Convener Lorraine Kevra WG15 Meeting Chair Keld Simonson DK HoD Willem Wakker NL Roger Martin US HoD Jay Ashford US Andy Bihain US John Hill US HoD Lowell Johnson US Barry Needham US Gerry Powell US Fritz Schulz US Jon Spencer US Dave Cannon UK HoD Dan Chacon UK Martin Kirk UK Peter Owen UK Ron Elliott Germany HoD Arnie Powell Canada HoD Patrick Dempster Canada Kazuo Ito Japan HoD 1.3 Selection of Drafting Committee, Secretary, & Vice Chair
Patrick Dempster volunteered to act as Vice-Chair for the meeting. John Hill (US) Ron Elliott (Germany) were selected to serve as the drafting committee for this meeting. Fritz Schulz (US) volunteered to record the minutes for the meeting.
1.4 Adoption of Agenda
[N393R] with addition of documents submitted in AnnapolisAdopted with no objections
Roger Martin moved to form a small group be formed at future meetings to update the agenda and collect submitted documents prior to the WG15 opening session. (Martin, Elliot) accepted with no objection, commended to the drafting committee.
1.5 Approval of Minutes
[N388r, N402, resolutions, action items]Agenda item suspended pending distribution and review of Heidelberg resolutions and action items.
Discussion of LIS document positioning and progression of LIS work. UK notes that they were considering LIS work. UK now knows that they have no resource available. Convener notes that NZ, FR expressed interests in LIS work.
amendment: change from "..UK offered assistance.." to "..what if other countries offered assistance.." in discussion of May 93 agenda item 5.1.1.
NL ask about the editors note at the bottom of 2nd page; editors note cites 9210-29, carried over as 9305-66. 9305-66 was closed.
DN suggests that LIS be added to the agenda as 6.7 "LIS Reports" to discuss action item 9305-45. Also add 6.8 "Document numbering for LIS".
N388r approved per amendedment above with no objections
action item 9310-28: convenor, to update contact information list
1.6 Action Items & Resolutions
[N403, 409, 411(US), 412(UK), 413(Germany), 414(Canada) 415(DK)]Action items from N388r were distributed along with MB action item reports. Open items were identified, listed below, and given new 9310 numbers (these should be noted here for cross-reference). Action items not listed are closed. see 7.3 for new action items.
9305-01: on
- becomes 9310-019305-05: on- becomes 9310-029305-07: on- becomes 9310-039305-11: on- becomes 9310-049305-12: on- becomes 9310-059305-13: on- becomes 9310-069305-19: on Willem Wakker:SGFS liasion, .8 D16, D11 .18 distribution- becomes 9310-079305-22: on RGSEC rapporteur; security liasion (open pending call for liasion volunteers)- becomes 9310-089305-23: on project editor; feasibility of merging RT extensions into 9945-1 lis specification - updated doc structure plan, showing how do the pieces fit together- becomes 9310-099305-24: on- becomes 9310-109305-25: Lorraine Kevra- becomes 9310-129305-26: on US, to comment on UK paper on rigorously conforming applications- Re-Open, becomes 9310-139305-28: on- becomes 9310-149305-31: on- becomes 9310-159305-33: on- becomes 9310-169305-39: on- becomes 9310-179305-40: on- becomes 9310-189305-41: open, pending completion of disposition of comments- becomes 9310-199305-52: on- becomes 9310-209305-(53): to convenor, to distribute information on how to obtain RRG draft 3.0- becomes 9310-219305-56: WG11 liasion- becomes 9310-229305-60: on- becomes 9310-239305-65: on UK, host for meeting- becomes 9310-24Open items culled from WG15/N375
Paris-001 security related issues- becomes 9310-25Paris-007 on member bodies on national profiles, US UK responded.- becomes 9310-26Rotterdam-003 review on EWOS taxonomy [closed]- becomes 9310-27
Resolutions are agreed to be addressed by action items.
2.1 Issues List
[SD3]
Patrick reported on open issues. No new issues, no discussion.
2.2 JTC1 actions affecting WG15
None reported. All JTC1 actions came through SC22.
2.3 SC22 Actions, Convener Report
[N404, N409] Convener
- synchronization plan approved by JTC1/SC22. No interpretation reports yet issued, but a request from Denmark. Expect interpretations
- NWI on .1 was endorsed by SC22.
- 2 division of work items were approvedaction item 9310-29: on US MB, to provide addition info on Software administration work to WG15
- number of LIS doc: use 9945-n (probably 9945-3)
- req N43.7 distributed by SC22 for review by other SCs
- fast track of Ada bindings has been endorsed
- Fortran was discussed, F77 be revised to reflect proper relationship to F90, but cannot fast track a technical report.
- requested concurrent CD regis/ballot for 9 documents, approval for 8 documents - .0 missing.
- Canada may give up SC22 secretariat question: NL member asked to clarify relationship among language binding documents, language independant specifications.action item 9310-30: US, NZ MBs to identify the basis for partitioning of functionality contained in language binding.
question: UK MB asked if Convenor was notified of attendees per SC22 resolutions. Convenor noted that not all member bodies notified him.
2.4 Report on IEEE PASC Standards Projects
[SD11] Lorraine Kevratwo additional items are being made available
SD11b - schedule by quarters
SD11c - WG15 transmittal datesNo actions taken.
2.5 Liaison Reports
2.5.1 WG9 Ada -- RRG Actions
[N390,392, 408,425] John Hill (for Ted Baker)q: Are extensions to real-time compatible with 9945-1? WG15 may wish to review real-time specification to assure that all comments were addressed in draft 3.
2.5.2 WG11 Language Bindings
John Hill (for Paul Rabin)WG15 input to the WG11 LI cross language questionaire report (SC22/N1446) does not appear to have affected the report, and may not have been delivered. resolution/recommendations were accepted in spirit and are out for ballot by SC22.
action item 9310-31: Lorraine Kevra, to determine the status/history of WG15 contributions to the report.
Keld: How will report affect us? Should it be put on the WG15 agenda for Tokyo?
discussion of timing of ballot.action item 9310-32: convenor, to put review of WG11 cross language questionaire report/ballot summary on Tokyo agenda for review.
2.5.3 WG13 Modula-2
Keith Hopper (not in attendance)No report submitted.
action item 9310-33: Convenor to query Mr. Hopper on his intentions to continue as WG13 liasion, and request a written liasion report for the next meeting.
2.5.4 WG20 I18N
[N396,417,420,421,422] Keld SimonsenN417 is the centeral proposal, and seven items were presented, with 4 proposed actions. FW doc is N396. David Cannon asks SC22 report on what the WG20 scope may affect any action we may take. Keld stated that "WG20s Current and Intended work" (WG20/N223). Add N417, 420 thru 422, and AN-12 to agenda item 4.4 for discussion and possible action. Registry proposal for character sets
2.5.5 WG21 C++
[N430] Mr. Ito (for Nobuo Saito)oral report; noted possible function name conflicts between C++ standard and 9945-1, which might cause problems in using 9945-1 as a C++ binding.
action item 9310-34: Convenor, to forward N430 to WG21 per WG15 resolution (to be identified).
2.5.6 SGFS
[N342, N344, N353 (SGFS 755)] Willem Wakkernothing to report, no actions
2.5.7 SC21/WG4
Martin KirkNothing to report, no actions
2.5.8 Security, SC27, SC21/WG1
Lionel BoiteauMr. Boiteau was not in attendance, and is not expected to return. Group discussed alternatives. Convenor noted that N389 calls for volunteers to support this liasion, and asks national bodies to consider the call.
2.5.9 PCTE, WG14 C, WG5 Fortran
[N418]PCTE is currently fast-tracking in JTC1 (DIS 13719) with several bindings. Member bodies are encouraged to review and participate in the ballot.
WG14 report is contained in N418; see also N416.action item 9310-35: Convenor, to issue a call for volunteers to act as liasion to the WG14 (C).
Fortran: no liasion report, no action taken.
action item 9310-36: Convenor, to issue a call for volunteers to act as liasion to the WG5 (Fortran).
2.6 Project Editor Report
Convenor notes that a call for volunteers to replace Hal Jespersen was issued at the last meeting. We expect some action later in the agenda to fill that slot.No defect reports, corrigenda are in the pipeline yet. Convenors warned of a substantial workload (70-80 items) in this area soon. Internation participation in the interpreation process is called for in the plan
action item 9310-37: MBs, to identify participants in the 9945-1 and 9945-2 interpretations process. Representatives should be identified to the convenor via E-mail as soon as possible.
Project editor nominations will be accepted under agenda item 4.
2.7 Rapporteur Group Report/Status
2.7.1 Security
[N389, 428] Jon SpencerWork is essentially complete. Additional work suggested by U.S., but the work requires broader national body participation. 3 resolutions proposed, to be addressed under agenda item 4.5.
2.7.2 Conformance Testing
[N424, AN4] Jerry PowellReviewed terms of reference. 3 resolutions passed that request WG15 action, addressing acceptance of proposed RGCT terms of references,circulate an update to WG15 N347, and response to to an new work proposed in JTC1 2612. Resolutions will be addressed under agenda item 4.5.
2.7.3 Internationalization
[N387r, N396, N431] Keld SimonsenTerms of reference were reviewed; no changes/updates were required. A joint meeting with RGCPA addressed new work in the area of a guide to creating national profiles.
4 resolutions will be addressed under agenda item 4.5Substantial discussion on the question: When will the work of RIN be completed? The answer was given that the collection of locales and national profiles is ongoing work.
The response was that this contradicts JTC1 directives with respect to work appropriate to Rapporteur groups, and WG15 resolution from Heidelburg to review their terms of reference and identify a time limited program of work.
Discussion broadened to how WG15 rapporteur groups are ; i.e. work on specific deliverables rather than open ended activites.
Keld then RIN has substantially completed N280. RIN should propose new work.action item 9310-38: RIN rapporteur, to produce an overview of the locale definitions collected to date to WG15.
2.7.4 Profile Coordination
[N427] Arnie PowellReviewed terms of reference and identified completion dates for all 6 resolutions were drafted for consideration under agenda item 4.5. Addressing the P1003.0 CD registration and SGFS liasion, use of named options, development of profiles within WG15, development of a TR guiding development of National POSIX profiles.
2.8 Review of Near Term Objectives of Rapportuer Groups
[N424, 427, 428, N431, AN4]The chair noted that this was completed during agenda item 2.7. No further action required. The RIN rapporteur asked for feedback on the N431 scope of work/task list. The group felt more detail would be helpful, and that several items appeared to be completed.
action item 9310-39: RIN rapporteur, to deliver an update of the RIN terms of reference, to replace N280. For discussion at the next meeting.
RGCT rapporteur contributed the following items of interest: Note that a 2003.1 revision is coming out april may 94. CD registration 2003.2 disposition of comments will need to be handled
action item 9310-40: MBs, to review draft 8 of 2003.2 and comment to RGCT for discussion at the next meeting.
It was noted during this conversation that the designations of the WG15/POSIX documents appears to be in transition, and this was causing some confusion.
action item 9310-41: US MB, to deliver a report on new numbering, and mapping to the old numbering, for all POSIX specifications.
4.1 Actions Relating to Issues
No contributions or actions arising.
4.2 Responses to JTC1 and SC22 actions
Concern about Synchronization & DIS 9945-2 lack of changes [N381, N426]Asks for changes in the sync plan, citing difficulties with having ballots comments addressed. DIS ballot is meaningless. Recommended two changes to the sync plan:
- Use working draft mechanism of ISO to get improved visibility of earlier draft.
- Enter DIS ballot earlier in the IEEE process.
Convenor described how the sync plan has worked in the two cases so far. UK noted that HOD mailings were created to raise visibility of docs.US suggests that Denmark draft amendments to the sync plan to address their concerns:
- early distribution of PASC PARs at the international level
- availability of working drafts, with expansion of working draft docs
- eliminates the approval of US standard until the DIS ballot completes
Changes must be approved by SC22, SAB, and PASC.US and UK expressed concern that any changes not delay the completion of standards. DN assured the group that the proposals were not intended to delay completion, but to allow for earlier input. Convenor noted that the CD ballot process gives opportunity for technical comment by SC22 MB. If any part of the DIS ballot occurs prior to IEEE approval, that approval is delayed for at least a year.
DN comments to the .2 ballot were not responded to.
Convenor suggested that sense of goup would be helpful to (avoid waste of time on issues):
- early visiblity/distribution of PASC PARs at the international level
- improved availability of working drafts, with expansion of working draft docs
- eliminates the approval of US standard until the DIS ballot completesUS stated that it was not prepared to address these issues at this time.
UK noted that SC22 has approved the sync plan, and it does not appear broken. If the process was not implemented correctly on .2, that is a different problem that will not be fixed by amending the plan.action item 9310-42: Denmark MB, assisted by the Convener, to prepare draft amendments to the sync plan for review by WG15. The draft ammendment is to be distributed well in advance of the next WG15 meeting.
4.3 Proposals Relating to IEEE PASC Activities and/or Priorities
Mr. Barry Needham of the U.S. reported on the PASC experience in handling the mailings to WG15 Heads of Delegations. Mr. Needham suggested that WG15 draft a resolution requesting PASC to:
- send distributions via express mail to confirmed member bodies which attend WG15 meetings
- regular mailings to those Member Bodies that confirm their mailing address, but don't attend WG15 meetings
- drop those MB which have not confirmed their mailing addresses.
Those who wish to discuss the alternatives, Mr. Needham volunteered to act as the focal pt. and conduit to the PASC.action item 9310-43: Convener, to add "Review and Approval of the PASC Mailing List" to the WG15 consent agenda.
4.4 Liaison statements & Actions Related Thereto
[N417, 420 thru 422, & AN-12]N420 accepted as liasion report from WG20, referred to agenda item 5.2. N417 item 1 asks for review and comment to WG15 N396.
action item 9310-44: RIN, to prepare a proposed response to WG20 regarding WG15 N396 for consideration by WG15 at it's next meeting.
N417 item 2 and 3 asks for review and comment to WG15 N421, 422.
action item 9310-45: RIN, to draft a proposed WG15 response to division of work items contained in N421 and N422, and distribute the draft to the WG15 member bodies for discussion at the next WG15 meeting.
N417 item 7 referred to agenda item 5.2.
4.5 Actions Related to Rapporteur Groups
Resolutions in each Raporteur group report were reviewed for disposition and forwarding to the drafting committee. Disposition was as follows:RGSEC Resolutions [N428]
9310-1 not forwarded to drafting committee
9310-2 accepted with modification to d. not prepare report, but an estimate of the time required
9310-3 acceptedRGCT Resolutions [N424]
9310-1 accepted
9310-2 accepted
9310-3 acceptedRIN Resolutions [N431]
9310-01 accept
9310-02 discussion deferred to agenda item 5.4
9310-03 not forwarded to drafting committee; instead, two actions items are established:action item 9310-46: RIN, to develop a draft WG15 position on 10646 impact on POSIX standards for consideration by WG15 no later than the Oct 94 WG15 meeting.
action item 9310-47: WG15 Member Bodies, to comment to WG15 RIN draft position on 10646 impact on POSIX standards.
Resolution 9310-04 not carried forwarded; action item calling for RIN locale overview pending.
RGCPA Resolutions [N427]
9310-01 strike last two sentences
9310-02 approved
9310-03 not forward to the drafting committee; instead an action item was established:action item 9310-48: US MB, to report back on option annex status and development for relevant POSIX specifications.
9310-04 approved with modification that profiles must conform to TR10000
9310-05 accept4.5.1 Review of Terms of Reference and Task Assignment
[N427, 428, 424, 431, AN4]All items completed prior, except AN4 has been delivered since discussion and action item of 2.7. Jerry Powell presented AN4 as a replacement for WG15/N61. Accepted with no further discussion, pending review of associated resolutions.
4.6 Defect Reports/Interpretations & Corregenda
None submitted. No action taken. Convenor notes that a substantial workload is anticipated, and he intends to add a group to address these items at the next meeting.
4.7 Change in Project Editor(s)
PE resigned at the last meeting, time for MB to put forward candidates for PE. May need one or more project editors. US: What is the position for which the call was issued? Answer: as a replacement for the retiring editor, i.e. for all approved projects. US nominates Jon Spencer. Passed with no objection. Chair called for resolution to recommend to SC22 that they approve Jon Spencer as project editor. DN notes that a project editor may be proposed with new work item.
5.0.1 Advancing Language Dependent Standards to IS
LIS is advancing and will be approved for CD registration and ballot when completed.
LIS will be a separate standard 9945-x (x is TBD), and will not be under 9945-1.
5.0.2 Language Independent Standard Alternatives
[N376, 380, 435]N435 contains the DN ballot comments for WG15 to consider re SC22/N1376 LIS Guidelines.
DN suggested that the US development body to direct incorporate mechanisms specified in N376 (proposal for very thin binding), 380, 435 into LIS and C binding specs for .1.
All agreed to delete 435 from consideration.
US proposed that this was a premature to direct incorporation.action item 9310-49: US MB, to transmit documents WG15 N376, 380, 435 to PASC for consideration by the appropriate PASC forums.
Does resolution 188 authorize CD registration? The drafting committee is directed to draft a resolution confirming that the all current documents are authorized for CD registration.
5.1 9945-1 System Interface
5.1.1 22.21.01.01 System Interface (1372}
No discussion, no actions.
5.1.2 22.42 Security Amendment {6}
Response to DK concerns on 1003.6 New Work Items [N304, N379]UK (Dave Cannon) volunteered to forward N304, 379 to .22 chair (David Rogers) for their consideration in future work. DN stated that their objective is get satisfaction in WG15 disposition of their comments on the NP ballot. Further, they wish the NP scope be expanded to include authentication.
WG15 does not conduct those ballots, however, and further that the isposition of NP is closed. Jon Spencer reports that the expansion of scope was discussed in .6, with a resolution that it would not be addressed now due to lack of resource, but that it would be addressed as resource permits. Further, a discussion group has been initiated on the topic.action item 9310-50: US member body, to forward N304, 379 to appropriate PASC forums for consideration in their work, and report response back to the WG15 May 94 meeting.
action item 9310-51: RGSEC, to review and comment on N304, 379 with a report back to WG15 with a recommended response to issues raised in these documents.
action item 9310-52: Convenor, to find ballot summary/resolution document (SC22/N1127, 1128) and deliver to RGSEC.
to appropriate PASC forums for consideration in their work, and report response back to the WG15 May 94 meeting.
5.1.3 22.39 Extensions to base {1a}
No discussion, no actions.
5.1.4 22.21.01.02.01 Real-time {4}
No discussion, no actions.
5.1.5 22.21.01.02.02 Real time extensions {4a}
No discussion, no actions.
5.1.6 22.21.40 Real Time {4b}
No discussion, no actions.
5.1.7 22.21.01.03.01 Transparent File Access {8}
No discussion, no actions.
5.1.8 22.21.01.03.03 Protocol Ind. Interface {12} WG R&C
No discussion, no actions.
5.1.9 22.21.01.03.04 Directory Services {xx}
No discussion, no actions.5.2 9945-2 Shell and Utilities
5.2.1 22.21.02.01 Shell and Utilities base {2} (DIS)
Convenor remarked that a lesson learned on .2 is that we will have difficulty meeting the need to complete a disposition of comments within a reasonable timeframe. DIS has been approved.action item 9310-53: US member body, to report how they plan to address the resolution of international comments on the 9945-2 CD and DIS ballots.
5.2.2 22.21.02.02 User Portability Extension {2a} (DIS Ballot Resolution, if needed)
[N391, AN2]Action item in 5.2.1 also applies to 5.2.2.
5.2.3 22.43 Security Amendment {6} (CD Reg)
No discussion, no actions.
5.2.4 22.41 Additional Utilities {2b} (CD reg)
[N416, 420]DN wishes to forward 416 and 420 to PASC for consideration NL states that 416 and 420 seem to contradict each other, and proposes that we forward only N420 to developing body, not N416.
UK suggests that we draft 2 resolutions, one for each. Defer further discussion to resolution agenda item.
The documents were set aside by RIN since the documents were not available prior to the meeting.
DN states that these documents delivered in response to an action item (9305-06) on Denmark to provide input directly to the US. No further action necessary.
5.3 System Utilities
5.3.1 22.21.03.01 System Administration {7+} (WG R&C)
No discussion, no actions.
5.3.2 22.21.03.02 Batch Services {15a} (WG R&C)
[N406]Since document was not distributed, no discussion. Convenor gives notice that draft is about to be distributed.
5.3.3 22.21.03.02 Print Administration {.7.1}
No discussion, no actions.
5.3.4 22.21.03.02 Software Administration {.7.2}
No discussion, no actions.
5.3.5 22.21.03.02 User Administration {.7.3}
No discussion, no actions.5.4 Language Bindings
5.4.1 22.21.04.01 C Language binding {1} (CD Reg)
No discussion, no actions.
5.4.2 22.21.04.02 Ada {5+}
[ N405]Since document not distributed, no discussion. Convenor gives notice that draft is about to be distributed. In response to a question from Canada, John Hill notes that fastrack does not require 5 member bodies to indicate participation on the NP ballot.
5.4.3 22.21.04.03 Fortran Language binding {19}
[N409] Project Editor to update '77 version?US will forward Fortran ('92) document to .19 to update from '77 to '91
5.5 22.38 TR Guide to POSIX OSE {0}
[N1673, N1843] CD Reg ballot in progressSC22 Request for review of title/scope/purpose consistency. All concerns were addressed by the 16.1 update, delivered at the All actions addressed by previous resolutions
action item 9310-54: US member body, to forward to SC22 the updated draft 16.1 "Draft Guide to the POSIX Open System Environment" (P1003.0) for PDTR registration.
action item 9310-55: Convenor, per WG15 resolution 93-257 to notify SGFS of WG15 intentions with respect to profile creation.
5.6 22.37 CD 13210 Test Methods {3}
action item 9310-56: Convener, to provide via E-mail to WG15 the closure date for DIS 13210 ballot.action item 9310-57: on RGCT to provide a draft disposition of comments on the DIS 13210 ballot as expeditiously as possible. This draft disposition will be provided to WG15 for review and approval.
5.6.1 NP for Test Methods and Conformance Work
[N374, N394, 423]action item 9310-58: Convener, to provide via E-mail to WG15 the closure date for NP ballot (2003.1).
RGCT rapporteur notes that 2003.2 D8 is out for review and comment. Is RGCT to expected any action/tasking associated with the comment resolution?
action item 9310-59: Convener, to issue a request to WG15 member bodies to review IEEE 2003.1.
The cover letter should explain that the document is available as SC22/N1417. If the SC22 document is not available from the member's national body, the convenor will provide a copy.
action item 9310-60: Member bodies, to provide comment on SC22/N1417 to RGCT by April 93.
5.7 How to Publish Guide for National Profile and National Locales
[SD3, AN3, N342, 344, 387r (supercedes N386), N427]Japan asked if the table of contents proposed in 387r is acceptable? Canada: How can registration authority issues be resolved in the absence of a registration authority?
US: How stable is this document? Does NP constrain the product? Modify NP to position TOC as "initial concept".action item 9310-61: Japanese MB, to provide N387 (as modified above) to convener for WG15 distribution.
6.1 National Body contribution (CEN report, DK)
[N419, AN8]Keld reports that CEN liasion has not been approved, pending further discussion. CEN is however initiating a registry of local definitions. AN8 is their document. No actions or discussion.
6.2 Distribution of Drafts
[N401, 352]John Hill notes that the WG15 administrator raised a question as to whether we should continue our distribution of documents to SC22. The administrator notes that no comment has ever been returned from SC22. Keld notes that we had previously approved distribution of drafts only to SC22. Barry Needham noted that the sync plan limits our ability to modify our existing distribution.
No action.
6.3 SC22 Resolution BL
[N409, JTC1 N1673, 1843]John Hill instruction to verify that
Resolution approved to respond to BL, stating that we have reviewed .0 document D16.1 and verified that it's title, scope, and purpose are appropriate per the original work item.
6.4 SC22 req for liasion on "Interpretation of Guide 25"
[JTC1 N2527]RGCT created RGCT action item 9310-02 on member bodies to investigate appropriate action, and report to the next meeting. In addition, RGCT created three comments on Int of Guide 25.
UK and US stated that IG25 is extremely OSI oriented, does not address POSIX issues correctly. Is seriously (maybe fatally) flawed in what it does NOT address, given it's claim of very broad scope. Either the scope needs to be reduced, or major additions are required. It has the potential to seriously and negatively impact all of the work that we do. NL indicates that the document may be up for approval in the very near future.
action item 9310-62: Convenor, to express our reservations to the the SC22 liasion to IG25, and state that we need more time to develop our input to the document.
action item 9310-63: RGCT, to draft a liasion statement for WG15 consideration at the next WG15 meeting on the IG25 activity and document.
Resolution approved to convey our concerns to SC22, Brian Meek(SC22 liasion to IG25 activity), chair of IG25.
6.5 comment to US doc (action item 9305-24)
[AN-13]Roger Martin (US) Member Bodies are asked to response to document AN-13, distributed by the US at this meeting in satisfaction of action 9305-24. The DN notes that Mr. Nakahara (WG15/N372) has distributed a document that is relevant, and that he will also provide additional input.
Mr. Martin noted that the next PASC meeting is in January, and that input prior to that time will have the most impact on document development.
6.6 Ballot Resolution
The convenor notes that we need to establish a method for handling .0, .4, .3 (13210), 2003.1, LISFor 13210 (.3), we've already asked RGCT to prepare a disposition in as timely a fashion as possible. We should extend that to handling 2003.1.
For .0, RGCPA should be asked to prepare a disposition of comments in as timely a fashion as possible.
For LIS and .4, ask project editor to prepare a disposition of comments with an ad hoc meeting if appropriate.
The convenor suggests that we assign the responsiblity for disposition of comments to the project editor. The project editor would be authorized to call ballot resolution meetings chartered to create a disposition of comments, delegate and/or recruit as needed, subject to the JTC1 directives.
Resolution codifying the above was authorized.
6.7 LIS Reports (Action 9305-45)
Action item reports from member bodies were reviewed to determine inputs on LIS issues. The DN member noted that the French had submitted a related document. Related documents (and national body) include N403(FR), 436(JA), 415r(DN), 432(NL), 411(US), 412(UK), 413(GR) 414(CA).The DN member is satisfied that the issues have been covered in previous agenda items. NL indicated that the SC22 ad hoc on cross language issues is addressing these issues. WG15 should review the results of that activity when they are available, take no further action until that time. UK and US support the NL position. The ad hoc report should be available (at least, the ballot will be closed) at the next meeting.
6.8 9945-1 Related Document Numbering
We have 9945-1, a thick C language binding.
We need to determine the numbering relationship among extensions, LIS. SC22 passed a resolution to register LIS as a new part of 9945, i.e. as 9945-3 LIS.DN suggests the LIS become 9945-1, and the C binding move to another.
UK strongly suggests C binding retain 9945-1 number.
NL suggests we number LIS as 9945-0. DN and others support.action item 9310-64: project editor, to request ITTF to assign part number 0 to IEEE 1372 LIS for JTC1 numbering.
7.1 Tasks/Assignments for Rapporteur Groups
No action beyond existing actions and resolutions is required.
7.2 Resolutions
93-246
93-247
93-248
93-249
93-250
93-251
93-252
93-253
93-254
93-255
93-256
93-257
93-258
93-259
93-260
93-261
93-262
93-263
93-264
93-265
93-266
93-267
93-268
93-269
7.3 Action Items for Oct 93 WG15 Meeting
Previous Actions with new numbers
9310-01
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9310-27New Actions
9310-28: Convenor, to update WG15 (and HoD) contact information list
9310-29: US MB, to provide addition information on Software administration work to WG15. [Closed per N440]
9310-30: US, NZ MBs to identify the basis for partitioning of functionality contained in language bindings.
9310-31: Lorraine Kevra, to determine the status/history of WG15 contributions to the report. [open from prior meeting -25]
9310-32: Convenor, to put review of WG11 cross language questionaire report and ballot summary on the WG15 Tokyo agenda for review.
9310-33: Convenor, to query Mr. Hopper on his intentions to continue as WG13 liasion, and request a written liasion report for the next meeting.
9310-34: Convenor, to forward N430 to WG21 per WG15 resolution (to be identified).
9310-35: Convenor, to issue a call for volunteers to act as liasion to the WG14 (C).
9310-36: Convenor, to issue a call for volunteers to act as liasion to the WG5 (Fortran).
9310-37: MBs, to identify participants in the 9945-1 and 9945-2 interpretations process. Representatives should be identified to the convenor via E-mail as soon as possible.
9310-38: RIN rapporteur, to produce an overview of the locale definitions collected to date to WG15.
9310-39: RIN rapporteur, to deliver an update of the RIN terms of reference, to replace N280. For discussion at the next meeting.
9310-40: MBs, to review draft 8 of 2003.2 and comment to RGCT for discussion at the next meeting.
9310-41: US MB, to deliver a report on new numbering, and mapping to the old numbering, for all POSIX specifications.
9310-42: Denmark MB, assisted by the Convener, to prepare draft amendments to the sync plan for review by WG15. The draft ammendment is to be distributed well in advance of the next WG15 meeting.
9310-43: Convener, to add "Review and Approval of the PASC Mailing List" to the WG15 as a standing agenda item. **change**
9310-44: RIN, to prepare a proposed response to WG20 regarding WG15 N396 for consideration by WG15 at it's next meeting.
9310-45: RIN, to draft a proposed WG15 response to N421 and N422, and distribute the draft to the WG15 member bodies for discussion at the next WG15 meeting. **change**
9310-46: RIN, to develop a draft WG15 position on 10646 impact on POSIX standards for consideration by WG15 no later than the Oct 94 WG15 meeting.
9310-47: WG15 Member Bodies, to comment to WG15 RIN draft position on 10646 impact on POSIX standards.
9310-48: US MB, to report back on option annex status and development for relevant POSIX specifications.
9310-49: US MB, to transmit documents WG15 N376, 380 N435 to PASC for consideration by the appropriate PASC forums.
**change** update9310-50: US member body, to forward N304, 379 to appropriate PASC forums for consideration in their work, and report response back to the WG15 May 94 meeting.
9310-51: RGSEC, to review and comment on N304, 379 with a report back to WG15 with a recommended response to issues raised in these documents.
9310-52: Convenor, to find the ballot summary/resolution document (SC22/N1127, 1128) and deliver to RGSEC.
9310-53: US member body, to report how they plan to address the resolution of international comments on the 9945-2 CD and DIS ballots.
9310-54: US member body, to forward to SC22 the updated draft 16.1 "Draft Guide to the POSIX Open System Environment" (P1003.0) for PDTR registration.
9310-55: Convenor, per WG15 resolution 93-257 to notify SGFS of WG15 intentions with respect to profile creation.
9310-56: Convener, to provide via E-mail to WG15 the closure date for DIS 13210 ballot.
9310-57: Project Editor, to provide a draft disposition of comments on the DIS 13210 ballot as expeditiously as possible. This draft disposition will be provided to WG15 for review and approval. **change**
9310-58: Convener, to provide via E-mail to WG15 the closure date for NP ballot (2003.1).
9310-59: Convener, to issue a request to WG15 member bodies to review IEEE 2003.1.
9310-60: Member bodies, to provide comment on SC22/N1417 to RGCT by April 94.
9310-61: Japanese MB, to provide N387r to convener for WG15 distribution.
9310-62: Convenor, to express our reservations to the the SC22 liasion to IG25, and state that we need more time to develop our input to the document ().
9310-63: RGCT, to draft a liasion statement for WG15 consideration at the next WG15 meeting on the IG25 activity and document.
9310-64: project editor, to request ITTF to assign part number 0 to IEEE 1372 LIS for JTC1 numbering.
9310-65: MBs, respond to convener by the 31 Jan 94 if a secretary can be provided to the next meeting in Tokyo.
9310-66: John Hill and Convener, to produce a format for a project management report. ***change***Actions arising from Resolutions
7.4 Issues List
no status change of previous issues
US notes that no new issues or inputs have been since May 92.
8.1 Future Meeting considerations
[N407]The next meeting is scheduled for 9-13 May, 1994 in Tokyo, Japan
- WG15 agenda review meeting at Tue 3pm
- WG15 plenary to meet wed, 9AM thru Fri PM
- RGCT plan to meet 1.5 day,
- RGSec to meet 1 day (Tue)
- RIN plans to meet 2 days (Mon/Tue)Mr. Ito reviewed the information in N407, and provided additional information on travel to/from Narita airport.
Invitations received:
Oct 94 c/w IEEE - Canada
Apr 95 Netherlands
late 95 c/w IEEE - France
early 96 DenmarkNeed invitations:
late 96 c/w IEEE Target US (for IEEE alignment)
early 97 - To be discussed at WG15 spring 94 meeting
8.2 Document Number Asignment
New Documents (get from Jim)N355 US response to AI 27 (API)
:
N355 xx
8.3 Selection of Officers for Next Meeting
Chair: Prof Saitoaction item 9310-65: MBs, respond to convener by the 31 Jan 94 if a secretary can be provided to the next meeting in Tokyo.
Vice Chair: To be provided by Canada
Secretary: to be provided: see action 9310-65
8.4 Agenda for next meeting
Convenor distributed a draft agenda for the next WG15 meeting.WG15 agreed to have agenda ad hoc remove pro forma items with no agenda time from the agenda.
action item 9310-66: John Hill and Convener, to produce a format for a project management report which will substantially reduce item 5 on the agenda.
8.5 Thanks to host
Chair thanked host US National Body, and IEEE for meeting arrangements.
The meeting was adjourned at 1pm, 29 October 1993.
a. The compilation of a list of standards bodies engaged in developing security related standards. The scope of organizations to be included is
b. The compilation of a list of existing standards
related to security developed by the bodies identified in (a), including
a brief description of each standard.
c. The compilation of a list of standards development efforts related to security ongoing in the bodies identified in (a), including a brief description of the scope of each such effort.
d. The preparation of an estimate of the time required to prepare a report indicating the overlap of these identified standards and efforts on all ongoing or proposed WG15 work items
Therefore WG15 assigns tasks a, b, c, and d to the RGSEC to be
completed by the May 1994 WG15 meeting. The deliverables for these tasks
will be written reports.
Therefore,
SC22/WG15 approves N439 as RGCT's Terms of Reference, Program of Work and Plans and Deliverables, as a replacement for SC22/WG15 N061.
Whereas SC22 has instructed the SC22 secretariat to forward a revised version of document SC22 N1403,
Therefore SC22/WG15 instructs its convener to forward SC22/WG15
N423 as a revision of WG15 N347, to SC22 for distribution.
Whereas SC22/WG15 N394 requests a recommendation on this proposal from RGCT; and,
Whereas SC22/WG15 RGCT has identified the following points:
Therefore SC22/WG15 recommends its members reject JTC1 N2612.
Whereas SC22/WG15 has determined that FSS UTF (UTF-2) is a necessary prerequisite for ISO 10646 to be accommodated into the ISO 9945 POSIX family of standards,
Therefore SC22/WG15 requests the US to either reference FSS UTF
(UTF-2) as a normative specification or incorporate it as a normative specification
in the appropriate POSIX standards currently under development.
SC22/WG15 also recommends that the proposed work item be progressed
separately from the "Guide to the POSIX OSE" work item.
Whereas SC22/WG15 believes that the following proposed changes
to Draft 16 will address the concerns raised by SC22:-
Whereas the US has successfully expedited the production
of P1003.0 Draft 16.1
Therefore SC22/WG15 instructs its convener to forward P1003.0 Draft 16.1 to SC22 for PDTR registration.
Whereas SC22/WG15 believes that the following proposed changes
to Draft 16, incorporated in Draft 16.1, address the concerns raised by
SC22:-
Therefore SC22/WG15 instructs its convener to forward a letter
to SGFS, before their November meeting, explaining the changes as specified
above.
Whereas it can be expected that these profiles soon will reach the state at which they can be registered as ISPs, and
Whereas the procedures adopted by the US and SC22/WG15 governing the development and adoption of POSIX Based standards (i.e., synchronization plan, WG15 N352) can apply to ISPs,
Therefore SC22/WG15 instructs its convener to:
Therefore
Whereas international comments are expected from this registration ballot,
Therefore SC22/WG15 requests the US to invite WG15 RGCPA to assist
in the work of reviewing the comments and the preparation of the disposition
of these comments.
Whereas timely delivery of these documents is important to the progress of these standards once they reach WG15,
Therefore, SC22/WG15 requests the US member to send these documents:
Therefore, SC22/WG15 has reviewed the Title, Scope and Objectives
of Draft 16.1 of the "Guide to the POSIX OSE" and has ensured them to be
consistent with the current Work Item.
Whereas SC22/WG15 is concerned that the stated scope (software and communications testing services) is far broader than the actual scope (OSI testing services) of the current document, and
Whereas SC22/WG15 believes that in order to expand the document to address the stated scope requires a significant amount of additional work, and
Whereas SC22/WG15 believes the document may significantly affect and overlap with SC22/WG15 work,
Therefore,
SC22/WG15 thanks Ms. Lorraine Kevra for chairing the meeting.
SC22/WG15 thanks Mr. Fritz Schulz for serving as secretary for the meeting.
SC22/WG15 especially thanks Mr. Ron Elliott and Mr. John Hill for their stellar work on the Drafting Committee.
9305-01 UK National Body to further scope the work required as defined in N3479305-02 US national body to send letter of invitation to WG15 Convener re hosting the fall 1993 WG15 meeting, (open action item 9210-2, 9205-08)
9305-03 RIN Lead Rapporteur: Co-ordinate review and comment on the codeset conversion proposal with the IEEE CS PASC working group. (open action item 9111-21, 9205- 10, 9210-3)
9305-04 Denmark: Expand and clarify proposal contained in RIN N0047 regarding usage of national characters (as defined in ISO 646 national positions), giving consideration that such proposal:
- addresses all aspects of proposed standard, rather than JUST the shell, (e.g. it should work with not only shell, but also regular expressions, awk, etc.)
- should allow use of all features of the proposed standard maintaining conformance, (e.g. currently proposed use of " " would conflict with existing use)
- should provide a general solution for similar requirements of other countries
- should be sensitive to the cost/benefit ration of imposing the solution in relation to existing implementations (open action item 9111-25, 9205-11, 9210-4)
9305-05 Arnie Powell: Provide a list of actions covering the open resolutions identified in N202, and the resolutions developed at Kista (open action item 9205-15, 9210-5)9305-06 Denmark: Provide to the US detailed proposals for areas identified in their 9945-2.2 comments #2,5, and 9 addressing resolution comments in N281. (open action item 9205-31, 9210-10)
9305-07 RGSEC Lead Rapporteur: Investigate liaison with EWOS re security issues and report back to WG15 at WG15's next meeting. (open action item 9205-53, 9210-15)
9305-08 Canada, UK: Nominate candidates for the position of Liaison to ECMA TC33 (open action item 9205-59, 9210-17)
9305-09 US: Investigate the concerns expressed in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 N220 and propose a solution to these issues, also taking into account the ECMA PCTE work, and to provide this to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 for its next meeting. (open action item 9205-55, 9210-16).
9305-10 Japan: Bring the issue of stateful encoding within the new WG14 activities to the attention of their national expert, with special care given to issues that may conflict with 9945-2. (open action item 9210-23)
9305-11 CEN/CENELEC Liaison: Forward contributions received in CEN/CENELEC TC304 to WG15 (open action item 9210- 26)
9305-12 Japan, Canada: Review and comment on areas of mutual interest between WG15 and SC21 contained in WG15 N324 (SC22/N1178). Forward comments to both SC21 and SC22/WG15. (open action item 9210-27)
9305-13 RGSEC Lead Rapporteur: Identify and carry through an appropriate response to N144. (open action item 9210-31)
9305-14 Convenor: Forward N331 to JTC1/SC22 as an NP proposal should the WG15 consultative ballot close with no negative ballots and with no substantive ballot comments. (Resolution 205) (open action item 9201-43).
9305-15 US: Provide the WG15 Convenor with a copy of IEEE Std. 1003.3.1-1992 for submission for CD registration subject to the approval of the related NP. (Resolution 206) (open action item 9210-44)
9305-16 Convenor: Forward a copy of IEEE Std. 1003.3.1-1992 to ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 for CD registration subject to the approval of the related NP. (Resolution 206) (open action item 9210-45)
9305-17 US: Bring forward for SC22/WG15 consideration any work related to Test Methods under development in the US in accordance with the agreed synchronization plan subject to the approval of the NP. (Resolution 207).(open action item 9210-46)
9305-18 US: Circulate IEEE P1003.3.2 to WG15 members for review and comment. (Resolution 208).(open action item 9210-47)
9305-19 SGFS Liaison: Forward document WG15/N297 (P1003.0 Draft 15), document WG15/N164 (P1003.18 Draft 3) to SGFS. (Resolution 209).(open action item 9210-48)
9305-20 US: Provide IEEE 1003.0 (Draft 16 or later), to the SC22/WG15 Convenor. (Resolution 211). (open action item 9210-50)
9305-21 Convenor: Forward the version of P1003.0 provided by the US to the ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat for registration as a CD for a Type 3 Technical report. (Resolution 211).(open action item 9210-51)
9305-22 SC21/WG1 and SC27 Liaison: Forward the WG15 document (P1003.6, Draft 13) submitted by the US for review and comment to both SC21/WG1 and SC27. Input should be requested within the time period allowed to members of the balloting group for P1003.6. The Liaison to SC21/WG1 and SC27 to forward the responses from SC21/WG1 and SC27 to the P1003.6 ballot resolution group in a timely manner. (Resolution 217).(open action item 9210-58)
9305-23 Project Editor: In consultation with the US, to report back at the next WG15 meeting on the feasibility of merging the real time extensions into 9945-1LIS before 9945-1LIS becomes an international standard taking into account the provision that this should be done without adversely affecting the progress of the existing C- language versions of P1003.4 (Real-Time Extensions) and P1003.4a (Threads). (Resolution 219). (open action item 9210- 62)
9305-24 US:
- Consider the LIS and language-binding interface changes necessary to handle character-oriented features as symbol and not storage patterns for a future revision of 9945-1.
- Inform SC22/WG15 of any plans for supporting such features in future revisions of all parts of the 9945 Standard. (Resolution 223). (open action item 9210-71)
9305-25 Lorraine Kevra: Incorporate answers to the administrative questions in the SC22 Cross Language Questionnaire with any other responses received from Member Bodies and other SC22 WGs and to reply to JTC 1/SC22 on behalf of SC22/WG15 before 1st March 1993. (Resolution 226) (open action item 9210-76)9305-26 US: Consider the UK contribution on a proposed new Rigorously Conforming conformance class. (open action item 9210-77)
9305-27 Denmark: Provide more information related to WG15/N304 in time for consideration at the next WG15 meeting. (open action item 9210-78)
9305-28 Member Bodies: Review N375 to determine status and report back to next WG15 meeting.
9305-29 Convener: Inform Mr Ted Baker that he is the WG15 Liaison to WG9/RRG. (ref. N357)
9305-30 US: Provide a presentation of the scope and content of 9945-3 and a characterization of the other relevant PASC work which may be relevant to WG15
9305-31 US: Supply a copy of the latest draft 1003.2b to WG15 for review and comment.
9305-32 US: Provide the WG15 Convener with a letter to be forwarded to WG15 Heads of Delegation informing them of how they can acquire IEEE PASC documents and to inform Member Bodies as to expected shipment dates of various Draft documents.
9305-33 US: Investigate making electronic copies of Draft documents available to WG15.
9305-34 US: Audit the NAPS mailing list and compare with WG15 SD6 to ensure that the WG15 HoD's receive the appropriate mailings.
9305-35 Denmark: Confirm that the proper head of delegation is noted in WG15 SD6.
9305-36 US: Develop a "mailing profile" to ensure that WG15 HoD's receieve the appropriate IEEE PASC mailings.
9305-37 Convener: Produce a new standing document which contains the Ballot Audit Information currently contained in attachment to N351 and to update it when necessary.
9305-38 Lead Rapporteurs: Review the terms of reference of their rapporteur groups within the context of N356 and report back to WG15 at the October 1993 meeting.
9305-39 US: Forward an appropriate copy of Amendment 1 of 9945-1:1990 (Real Time extensions) to the SC22 Secretariat for DIS processing.
9305-40 US: To provide a plan for incorporating into 9945-1 the additional rationale regarding the use of the terms "byte" and "character" as referenced in N349.
9305-41 Project Editor: Prepare a preliminary disposition of comments for 9945-2 and circulate them in July to WG15 member bodies.
9305-42 Member Bodies: Member bodies having comments on 9945-2 are requested to supply them via E-mail to Project Editor as well as the official ballot return, in order to give as much resolution time as possible.
9305-43 Convener: Circulate the report from the SC22 Ad-Hoc on Character Sets to member bodies.
9305-44 Convenor: Report WG15 support of the request to the US member body to forward P1003.9 to JTC1 for fast- track processing as a Technical Report Type 2, in his SC22 Conveners report.
9305-45 Member Bodies: Review the following general specification methods with regard to the requirements listed in Resolution 93-233, and provide a written response prior to the October 1993 WG15 meeting, evaluating these methods for future use in projects JTC1.22.21, JTC1.22.39, JTC1.22.42. Member bodies are invited to suggest and evaluate additional specification methods.
- LIS methods described in N173 (TCOS-LIS)
- LIS methods under development by WG11 (LID, LIPC)
- LIS methods using formal definition techniques (VDMSL, Z, others)
- Single binding document with multiple language syntaxes
- Seperate thick language bindings
9305-46 Convener: Ensure that a discussion of the potential advancement of Language Dependent Specifications to the IS status takes place at the Oct. 1993 WG15 meeting.9305-47 US: Invite P1003.0 experts to attend the RGCPA meeting to be held on 25-26 October 1993 in Annapolis.
9305-48 US: Investigate how the Fortran 77 bindings can be used by Fortran 90 applications.
9305-49 US: Forward N354 to IEEE PASC 2003 for information.
9305-50 Member Bodies: Invite the appropriate experts involved in conformance testing to participate in RGCT representing their respective countries.
9305-51 Japan: Circulate (electronically) the latest version of the GPNPNL (N386) to member bodies in time for their review before the October 1993 WG15 meeting.
9305-52 RGCPA: WG15 instructs RGCPA to review N386 and report back to WG15 at its next meeting as to its potential relationship to P1003.0.
9305-53 Ted Baker: Provide the WG15 convener with a copy of the Draft of the Real-Time Rapporteur Group (RRG) of SC22/WG9 (Ada) proposed standard API for hard real- time services for distribution to WG15 for their review and comment.
9305-54 US: Provide WG15 with the report coming out of the joint PASC P1003.4 and P1003.5 working groups discussion of the RRG proposed standard API.
9305-55 Ted Baker: Advise the WG15 member bodies, via E- mail, when the CD Ballot is starting for the WG9 RRG proposal.
9305-56 WG11 Liaison: Forward WG15 Resolutions 93-233, 93- 234, and 93-244 to WG11.
9305-57 US: Forward WG15 N212, N342, N344 and N387 to its development body. (Resolution 93-228)
9305-58 Convener: To put rapporteur group reports, per WG15 N356, onto all future WG15 meeting agendas.
9305-59 Convener: Communicate to UniForum that they may apply for Category C Liaison. (Resolution 93-229)
9305-60 Project Editor: Notify the development body of collation weight requirements. (Resolution 93-230)
9305-61 Member Bodies: Report any issues, concerns on advancement of POSIX Profiles internationally to WG15. (Resolution 93-232)
9305-62 Convener: Request SC22 to initiate the DIS ballot for 1003.3-1991. (Resolution 93-236)
9305-63 Convener: Forward WG15 N347 to SGFS, SC6, SC18, SC21, SC22 and SC26 for review and comment. (Resolution 93-237).
9305-64 Member Bodies: Provide names of delegates for both WG15 meeting and WG15 Rapporteur meetings to the convener of the meeting before the start of the meeting. (Resolution 93-242)
9305-65 Member Bodies: Host for spring 1996 WG15 meeting is required. Volunteers are requested to supply an official invitation to the convener.