N368 - RGCPA Minutes, May 1993

RGCPA 031

Rapporteur Group on Coordination of Profile Activities
Heidelberg, 10-11.05.93

1 Opening

1.1 The meeting was opened by Mr. Arnie Powell, the Lead Rapporteur, at 09:15 on 10.05.93 at the IBM facilities, Heidelberg.

1.2 The attendee list is attached to these minutes (Attachment 1).

1.3 Ron Elliott acted as secretary. Don Folland, Peter Meier and Ron Elliott volunteered to act on the drafting committee.

1.4 The agenda (RGCPA N024) was adopted with minor changes.

1.5 The minutes were approved with the addition of Mr. Powell as being an attendee at the last meeting.

2 Administration

2.1 Action Items

9105-02 Open, the IEEE was changed to be a reference to the US Rapporteur.

9201-02 Closed N025

9201-08 Closed but reopened as 9305-03

9210-01 Closed N026

9210-02 Closed see 9305-03

9210-03 Closed refer to 9305-01 (TCOS no longer valid should be PASC)

9210-04 Closed refer to N027, N028, N029 and 9305-04

9210-05 Closed see 9305-05

9210-06 Closed see 9305-06

9210-07 Closed, FIPS 151-2 will be published in May

9210-08 Closed

9210-09 Open, document should be available before the next RGCPA meeting

9210-10 Closed

9210-11 Closed N027 and N028

9210-12 Open

9210-13 Open

9210-14 Open, RGCPA will request WG15 to forward the IEEE PASC Profiles to the RWS-CC when appropriate

2.2 JTC1, SC22, or WG15 actions affecting RGCPA
No action is officially required although there may be some action coming out of the WG15 plenary meeting.

2.3 Liaison Reports

SGFS No report

EWOS Jeremy Tucker is now chair of EWOS EG-OSE. Richard Lloyd will no longer edit TR10000 Part 1, probably Willem Wakker will take over this work.

AOW Prof. Saito is chairing OSE-SG

2.4 X/Open Martin Kirk made a presentation on the X/Open Profile activity. The foils are attached to the minutes.

IEEE/PSC Nothing really to report except that Bill Cox is now chair of the group.

CCTA Working on a tool for selecting technical options within profiles. CCTA is producing an OSE handbook based on the Swedish version. There is a danger that many countries will produce their own version of such a document.

3 Project Activities

3.1 Issues List (RGCPA SD-2)

The issues are all contained in the Issues List (RGCPA SD-2) which is attached to these minutes.

3.2 SGFS - No activity

3.3 IEEE P1003.0 see action 9305-09

3.4 9945-1 Profile Action: Annex is now part of the 9945 Document Structure plan. See action item 9305-10.

3.5 9945-2 Profile Action: Annex is now part of the 9945 Document Structure plan and contained in 9945-2

3.6 9945-3 Activities - No activity

3.7 Test Methods Issues: Profile Considerations. Awaiting action item.

3.8 Preview of Anticipated Profiles - Nothing currently available

4 New Business

5 Review / Approval of Resolutions

6 Closing Process

6.1 Future Meetings

The next meeting will be held on 25-26.10.93 in Annapolis, Maryland, USA

6.2 Document Number Assignment

6.3 Agenda for Next Meeting

7 Adjournment

RGCPA Action Items

9305-01 US Rapporteur to request NIST to provide a report of the options in FIPS 151-2

9305-02 Martin Kirk to request X/Open to provide a report of the options in XPG4 that relate to 9945-1:1990

9305-03 US Rapporteur to provide RGCPA with IEEE Profile documents for Review and Comment.

9305-04 Japanese Rapporteur to provide an address for INTAP

9305-05 Lead Rapporteur to develop an RGCPA standing document containing information and positioning on POSIX Profiles from RGCPA Member organizations

9305-06 French Rapporteur to advise RGCPA on the availability of an English version of the French Guide for Public Procurement, OSE Profiling Activity (N030)

9305-07 US Rapporteur to advise RGCPA as to the status of IEEE P2003 at the next meeting

9305-08 US Rapporteur to investigate the concern that the PSC Rules and TR10000 Part 1.3 Section 6.3.1 are apparently in conflict.

9305-09 US Rapporteur to distributeN032 to IEEE 1003.0

9305-10 US Rapporteur to determine status of the Annex of Options and Parameters in 9945-1.

9305-11 US Rapporteur to provide WG15/N344 (SGFS N755) to IEEE 1003.0 working group for their information

9305-12 EWOS Liaison to determine the content and document reference number of the RWS-CC document referred to in SGFS N755

9305-13 US Rapporteur to arrange for a presentation on the status of P1003.10 at the October RGCPA meeting.

RGCPA SD-1

RGCPA Document List
May 11, 1993

Doc# Document Title Date/distributed

1 TSG1 Final Report (Preliminary) 90/09 - 90/12/04

2 FIPS Publication 151-1 90/09 - 90/12/04

3 P1003.18/D3 POSIX Platform 90/09 - 90/12/04

4 EWOS Expert Group on Common Application Environment Interim Report 90/09 - 90/12/04

5 RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda 90/11/26 - 90/12/04

6 Minutes of WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 163) 91/06/03 - 92/01/13

7 Intro for the WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 166) 91/05/31 - 92/01/13

8 SGFS Report (WG15 N191) 91/08/19 - 92/01/13

9 Excerpts from proposed FIPS 151-2 91/12 - 92/01/13

10 Framework for User Requirements 91/12 - 92/03/20

11 Proposed Terms of Reference for RGCPA 92/01 - 92/03/20

12 TR10000-1.3 revision 91/12 - 92/03/20

13 SGFS Report (issues/results) 91/12 - 92/03/20

14 January 1992 RGCPA Minutes 92/01 - 92/03/20

15 PSC Standards Reference 91/12 - 92/03/20

16 PSC Summary of POSIX SP Efforts (P1003.0/D14) 91/12 - 92/03/20

17 IEEE TCOS Balloting Chart 92/03 - 92/03/20

18 X/Open's Response t "Required Interface Definitions" 91/10 - 92/03/20

19 RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda for Oct. 1992 92/10 - 92/10/23

20 Liaison Report on SGFS meeting June 1992 92/10 - 92/10/23

21 EWOS - Method for Developing and Documenting OSE Profiles 92/06/26 - 92/10/23

22 EWOS - The Documentation Structure for OSE Profiles 92/06/25 - 92/10/23

23 Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, Oct. 1992 92/10/24 - 92/11/02

24 RGCPA Agenda 93/05/10 - 93/05/11

25 PSC Policies and Guidelines: SEC N0376 92/11/23

26 ISO/IEC JTC1 SGFS Annex C

27 ISO/IEC SGFS N817 - TR10000-1.3 93/03/25

28 ISO/IEC SGFS N862 - Framework and Taxonomy of International Profiles 93/03/25

29 ISO/IEC SGFS - EWOS comments on Concepts of OSE 93/04/30

30 French Guide for Public Procurement (J-M Cornu) 93/04/28

31 Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, May 1993

32 Netherlands comments on draft 15 of P1003.0 93/04/09

RGCPA SD-2

RGCPA ISSUES List

OPEN Issues List

9105-02 What is the process for ensuring that user requirements are fully taken into account in profile harmonization
A paper from the UK (DISC) was used as basis for discussion (RGCPA N010). It was suggested that everything be left to SGFS and RGCPA should concentrate on coordination, not investigation. Action 9201.01 and 9201.04 raised to deal with forwarding N010. No feedback received as of 9210 meeting.
Status:                    Open

9105-05 There is no unifying framework for Application Environment profiles. The lack of one makes standards profiling less effective, and harder, than it could be.
Status:                    Open

9105-06 There are no standards for how standards should be subsetted. The "no subsets allowed" principle established by SGFS may not be sufficient.
Reworded at 9201 meetign to read:
What approach, if any, is appropriate for subsetting of WG15 base standards.
PASC has an ad-hoc working on this subject to report back to PASC in 01/94.
Status:                    Open.

9105-07 Should the use of named options be discouraged
Closed at 9105 meeting.
Revisited at 9201 meeting and reworded:
Should the use of named options in POSIX standards be encouraged
There is not sufficient information available at this time to make a recommendation to POSIX. We feel that options should be discouraged but if they are there then they should be named options.
Status:                    Open.

9201-09 Is WG15 expecting to own any profiles, and if so how are they harmonized?
Reference in the 9201 minutes to Action Item 9102-20 (cannot be found)
Status:                    Open. Resolution 9305-01 to be forwarded to WG15.

CLOSED Issues List

9105-01 Should this group take any action to influence the JTC1 work on organization?
Status:                    Closed by resolution 9105-04

9105-03 How can functional profiles be constructed in areas where standardization work is incomplete, and where there are insufficient standards fully to meet the user need.
Status:                    Closed at 9305 meeting. Resolution 9210.03 (WG15 92-210 (WG15 N326) and action item 9210-49)

9105-04 Is there a hierarchy of standardization, in which ISO standards are used by everyone, and built upon by regional bodies, national bodies and user groups in order to meet local needs?
Status:                    Closed. Passed to SGFS

9105-08 Is it permitted in a profile specification referring to WG15 standards to give a defintion to an option which in the standard was "implementation defined", "undefined", etc.
Status:                    Closed at 9305 meeting. This is not allowed by TR10000 Part 1.

9201-10 Should profiles referring to WG15 standards also refer to OSI standards?
Status:                    Closed. If appropriate then they will be referred to.

Attachment 1

RGCPA Attendance List
Utrecht, 1992

R. J. Elliott Germany

D. E. Folland CCTA

M. Kirk United Kingdom

P. W. Meier USA

A. Powell Canada

N. Saito Japan

W. Wakker EWOS EG-OSE

Attachment 2

RGCPA Resolutions List

9305-01 Advancing POSIX Profiles Internationally
Whereas POSIX-based profiles are being developed in IEEE PASC, and
Whereas other IEEE PASC specifications are normally advanced to international status through SC22/WG15,
Therefore RGCPA requests SC22/WG15 to request member bodies to report back concerns, issues and recommendations on advancement of this work.

9305-02 Thanks to Host
The WG15 RGCPA thanks DIN for hosting the RGCPA meeting.

9305-03 Thanks to Chair
The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Arnie Powell for chairing the meeting.

9305-04 Thanks to Secretary
The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Ron Elliott for acting as secretary for the meeting.

9305-05 Thanks to Drafting Committee
The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Don Folland and Mr. Pete Meier for participating on the drafting committee.

1.1	The meeting was opened by Mr. Arnie Powell, the Lead Rapporteur, at 09:15 on 10.05.93 at the IBM facilities, Heidelberg.

1.2	The attendee list is attached to these minutes (Attachment 1).

1.3	Ron Elliott acted as secretary. Don Folland, Peter Meier and Ron Elliott volunteered to act on the drafting committee.

1.4	The agenda (RGCPA N024) was adopted with minor changes.

1.5	The minutes were approved with the addition of Mr. Powell as being an attendee at the last meeting.

2.1	Action Items
	9105-02	Open, the IEEE was changed to be a reference to the US Rapporteur.
	9201-02	Closed N025
	9201-08	Closed but reopened as 9305-03
	9210-01	Closed N026
	9210-02	Closed see 9305-03
	9210-03	Closed refer to 9305-01 (TCOS no longer valid should be PASC)
	9210-04	Closed refer to N027, N028, N029 and 9305-04
	9210-05	Closed see 9305-05
	9210-06	Closed see 9305-06
	9210-07	Closed, FIPS 151-2 will be published in May
	9210-08	Closed
	9210-09	Open, document should be available before the next RGCPA meeting
	9210-10	Closed
	9210-11	Closed N027 and N028
	9210-12	Open
	9210-13	Open
	9210-14	Open, RGCPA will request WG15 to forward the IEEE PASC Profiles to the RWS-CC when appropriate

2.2	JTC1, SC22, or WG15 actions affecting RGCPA No action is officially required although there may be some action coming out of the WG15 plenary meeting.

2.3	Liaison Reports
	SGFS	No report

	EWOS	Jeremy Tucker is now chair of EWOS EG-OSE. Richard Lloyd will no longer edit TR10000 Part 1, probably Willem Wakker will take over this work.

	AOW	Prof. Saito is chairing OSE-SG

2.4	X/Open	Martin Kirk made a presentation on the X/Open Profile activity. The foils are attached to the minutes.
	IEEE/PSC	Nothing really to report except that Bill Cox is now chair of the group.
	CCTA	Working on a tool for selecting technical options within profiles. CCTA is producing an OSE handbook based on the Swedish version. There is a danger that many countries will produce their own version of such a document.

3.1	Issues List (RGCPA SD-2)
	The issues are all contained in the Issues List (RGCPA SD-2) which is attached to these minutes.

3.2	SGFS - No activity

3.3	IEEE P1003.0 see action 9305-09

3.4	9945-1 Profile Action: Annex is now part of the 9945 Document Structure plan. See action item 9305-10.

3.5	9945-2 Profile Action: Annex is now part of the 9945 Document Structure plan and contained in 9945-2

3.6	9945-3 Activities - No activity

3.7	Test Methods Issues: Profile Considerations. Awaiting action item.

3.8	Preview of Anticipated Profiles - Nothing currently available

6.1	Future Meetings
	The next meeting will be held on 25-26.10.93 in Annapolis, Maryland, USA

6.2	Document Number Assignment

6.3	Agenda for Next Meeting

9305-01	US Rapporteur to request NIST to provide a report of the options in FIPS 151-2

9305-02	Martin Kirk to request X/Open to provide a report of the options in XPG4 that relate to 9945-1:1990

9305-03	US Rapporteur to provide RGCPA with IEEE Profile documents for Review and Comment.

9305-04	Japanese Rapporteur to provide an address for INTAP

9305-05	Lead Rapporteur to develop an RGCPA standing document containing information and positioning on POSIX Profiles from RGCPA Member organizations

9305-06	French Rapporteur to advise RGCPA on the availability of an English version of the French Guide for Public Procurement, OSE Profiling Activity (N030)

9305-07	US Rapporteur to advise RGCPA as to the status of IEEE P2003 at the next meeting

9305-08	US Rapporteur to investigate the concern that the PSC Rules and TR10000 Part 1.3 Section 6.3.1 are apparently in conflict.

9305-09	US Rapporteur to distributeN032 to IEEE 1003.0

9305-10	US Rapporteur to determine status of the Annex of Options and Parameters in 9945-1.

9305-11	US Rapporteur to provide WG15/N344 (SGFS N755) to IEEE 1003.0 working group for their information

9305-12	EWOS Liaison to determine the content and document reference number of the RWS-CC document referred to in SGFS N755

9305-13	US Rapporteur to arrange for a presentation on the status of P1003.10 at the October RGCPA meeting.

Doc#	Document Title	Date/distributed
1	TSG1 Final Report (Preliminary)	90/09 - 90/12/04
2	FIPS Publication 151-1	90/09 - 90/12/04
3	P1003.18/D3 POSIX Platform	90/09 - 90/12/04
4	EWOS Expert Group on Common Application Environment Interim Report	90/09 - 90/12/04
5	RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda	90/11/26 - 90/12/04
6	Minutes of WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 163)	91/06/03 - 92/01/13
7	Intro for the WG15 Profile Coord. Ad Hoc Mtg. (WG15 166)	91/05/31 - 92/01/13
8	SGFS Report (WG15 N191)	91/08/19 - 92/01/13
9	Excerpts from proposed FIPS 151-2	91/12 - 92/01/13
10	Framework for User Requirements	91/12 - 92/03/20
11	Proposed Terms of Reference for RGCPA	92/01 - 92/03/20
12	TR10000-1.3 revision	91/12 - 92/03/20
13	SGFS Report (issues/results)	91/12 - 92/03/20
14	January 1992 RGCPA Minutes	92/01 - 92/03/20
15	PSC Standards Reference	91/12 - 92/03/20
16	PSC Summary of POSIX SP Efforts (P1003.0/D14)	91/12 - 92/03/20
17	IEEE TCOS Balloting Chart	92/03 - 92/03/20
18	X/Open's Response t "Required Interface Definitions"	91/10 - 92/03/20
19	RGCPA Meeting Notice and Agenda for Oct. 1992	92/10 - 92/10/23
20	Liaison Report on SGFS meeting June 1992	92/10 - 92/10/23
21	EWOS - Method for Developing and Documenting OSE Profiles	92/06/26 - 92/10/23
22	EWOS - The Documentation Structure for OSE Profiles	92/06/25 - 92/10/23
23	Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, Oct. 1992	92/10/24 - 92/11/02
24	RGCPA Agenda	93/05/10 - 93/05/11
25	PSC Policies and Guidelines: SEC N0376	92/11/23
26	ISO/IEC JTC1 SGFS Annex C
27	ISO/IEC SGFS N817 - TR10000-1.3	93/03/25
28	ISO/IEC SGFS N862 - Framework and Taxonomy of International Profiles	93/03/25
29	ISO/IEC SGFS - EWOS comments on Concepts of OSE	93/04/30
30	French Guide for Public Procurement (J-M Cornu)	93/04/28
31	Minutes of RGCPA Meeting, May 1993
32	Netherlands comments on draft 15 of P1003.0	93/04/09

9105-02	What is the process for ensuring that user requirements are fully taken into account in profile harmonization A paper from the UK (DISC) was used as basis for discussion (RGCPA N010). It was suggested that everything be left to SGFS and RGCPA should concentrate on coordination, not investigation. Action 9201.01 and 9201.04 raised to deal with forwarding N010. No feedback received as of 9210 meeting. Status: Open

9105-05	There is no unifying framework for Application Environment profiles. The lack of one makes standards profiling less effective, and harder, than it could be. Status: Open

9105-06	There are no standards for how standards should be subsetted. The "no subsets allowed" principle established by SGFS may not be sufficient. Reworded at 9201 meetign to read: What approach, if any, is appropriate for subsetting of WG15 base standards. PASC has an ad-hoc working on this subject to report back to PASC in 01/94. Status: Open.

9105-07	Should the use of named options be discouraged Closed at 9105 meeting. Revisited at 9201 meeting and reworded: Should the use of named options in POSIX standards be encouraged There is not sufficient information available at this time to make a recommendation to POSIX. We feel that options should be discouraged but if they are there then they should be named options. Status: Open.

9201-09	Is WG15 expecting to own any profiles, and if so how are they harmonized? Reference in the 9201 minutes to Action Item 9102-20 (cannot be found) Status: Open. Resolution 9305-01 to be forwarded to WG15.

9105-01	Should this group take any action to influence the JTC1 work on organization? Status: Closed by resolution 9105-04

9105-03	How can functional profiles be constructed in areas where standardization work is incomplete, and where there are insufficient standards fully to meet the user need. Status: Closed at 9305 meeting. Resolution 9210.03 (WG15 92-210 (WG15 N326) and action item 9210-49)

9105-04	Is there a hierarchy of standardization, in which ISO standards are used by everyone, and built upon by regional bodies, national bodies and user groups in order to meet local needs? Status: Closed. Passed to SGFS

9105-08	Is it permitted in a profile specification referring to WG15 standards to give a defintion to an option which in the standard was "implementation defined", "undefined", etc. Status: Closed at 9305 meeting. This is not allowed by TR10000 Part 1.

9201-10	Should profiles referring to WG15 standards also refer to OSI standards? Status: Closed. If appropriate then they will be referred to.

R. J. Elliott	Germany
D. E. Folland	CCTA
M. Kirk	United Kingdom
P. W. Meier	USA
A. Powell	Canada
N. Saito	Japan
W. Wakker	EWOS EG-OSE

9305-01	Advancing POSIX Profiles Internationally Whereas POSIX-based profiles are being developed in IEEE PASC, and Whereas other IEEE PASC specifications are normally advanced to international status through SC22/WG15, Therefore RGCPA requests SC22/WG15 to request member bodies to report back concerns, issues and recommendations on advancement of this work.

9305-02	Thanks to Host The WG15 RGCPA thanks DIN for hosting the RGCPA meeting.

9305-03	Thanks to Chair The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Arnie Powell for chairing the meeting.

9305-04	Thanks to Secretary The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Ron Elliott for acting as secretary for the meeting.

9305-05	Thanks to Drafting Committee The WG15 RGCPA thanks Mr. Don Folland and Mr. Pete Meier for participating on the drafting committee.