ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 Minutes of Meeting 4-8 May 1992 Hamilton, New Zealand Chair: Ron Elliott (Germany) Vice Chair: David Cannon (UK) Secretary: Arnie Powell (Canada) Attendance: Canada Arnie Powell (Head of Delegation) Patric Dempster Dann Paton Stephen Walli Denmark Keld Simonsen (Head of Delegation) France Jean Michel Cornu (Head of Delegation) Germany Ron Elliott (Head of Delegation) Italy Luigi Bertuzzi (Head of Delegation) Japan Nobuo Saito (Head of Delegation) New Zealand Keith Hopper (Head of Delegation) Roger Hicks Nick Schubert UK Dave Cannon (Head of Delegation) Martin Kirk USA Donn Terry (Head of Delegation) Ralph Barker Jim Isaak Hal Jespersen Roger Martin Pete Meier Contents Attachments 1.0 Opening of Meeting 1 Attendance List 2.0 Status Liaison and Action Item Reports 2 Agenda 3.0 Actions Arising from Reports 3 Minutes of SG1 4.0 Project Activities 4 Minutes of SGA 5.0 New Business 5 Resolutions 6.0 Review/Approval 6 Action Items 7.0 Closing Process 8.0 Adjournment 1.0 Opening of Meeting The meeting was convened at 0905 by the chairman, Ron Elliott. 1.1 Selection of Vice Chair Dave Cannon volunteered to act as vice chair of this meeting. Don Folland will chair the next meeting of WG15. 1.2 Introduction and Role Call of Technical Experts Attendance list - See Attachment 1 1.3 Selection of drafting Committee A drafting committee was formed. Members were Roger Martin, Ralph Barker, Keld Simenson, and Martin Kirk. 1.4 Adoption of Agenda The agenda was adopted as appearing in Attachment 2 The structure of the minutes follows the structure of the agenda. 1.5 Approval of Minutes Roger Martin pointed out that there were a few editorial changes required but they do not impact the validity of the document. The minutes were approved as amended. 1.6 Action Items 1.6.1 Convenors Report See N246 1.6.2 US Member Body Action Reports See N255 and N258. 1.6.3 WG15 Action Items The Action items from the Kista meeting were reviewed. The following action items from the Kista meeting were closed: 9111-02(N260) 9111-03(N208) 9111-04(N261) 9111-05(N238) 9111-06(N260) 9111-07(SD11) 9111-08 9111-09 9111-11(Part) 9111-13 9111-14 9111-18(N260) 9111-19 9111-22 9111-24 9111-26 9111-27(SD11) 9111-29 9111-30 9111-32 9111-33 9111-34 9111-35 9111-36 9111-37 9111-38 9111-39 9111-41(N251&2) 9111-42 9111-44 9111-45 9111-46 9111-47(N260) 9111-48(N257&8) 9111-49 9111-50(N254) 9111-51(N260) 9111-53 9111-54 9111-55 Those not closed as well as action items arising from this meeting are detailed in attachment 6. 1.7 Identify Members and Schedules of Small Groups The meetin was divided into 3 small groups to address the issues listed below. Reports from the small groups are minuted under the appropriate agenda items. (NB: Small Group 2 did not produce minutes. The results of their meeting are detailed in a separate document) SG1Review and comment on 9945-1, PCTE, LIS, .4, .6, .8, and .12. SG2Review and comment on 9945-2, 2a, and ballot comments. SG3Administrative issues eg: NPs, Synchronization, Liaison, etc. 2.0 Status, Liaison, and Action Item Reports 2.1 Issues List The US Member Body has produced a reformated Issue List as per action item 9111-39. It was decided that the vice chair of each meeting would maintain that list and exchange it with the succeeding vice chair (next meeting) in a flat ASCII file. It is also to be exchanged over the WG15 email net. 2.2 JTC1 Jim Isaak reported that all of the New Proposals submitted by WG15 have been approved. An informative annex is to be provided with each standard addressing issues relative to application portability.(as per TSG-1) Also Categry S Liaisons can now be established between groups not involving SGFS. 2.3SC22 Action, Convenor Report See SD11. 2.4Report on IEEE TCOS Standards Projects 2.5WG15 Priorities and Target Dates 2.6Liasion Reports 2.6.1 ADA Dr. T Baker nominated as Liasion to SC22/WG9. 2.6.2 Modula Discussion referred to Small Group 1. 2.6.3 PCTE Referred to Small Group 1 2.6.4 Security See Action Item 9205-17. 2.6.5 SC22/WG20 Keld Simonsen reported on liaison activities. See Documents N263, N264, N265, N266, N272 and N278. 2.6.6 EWOS / OSE Profiles Luigi Bertuzzi reviewed EWOS activities relating to OSE Profiles. See document N266, N267, N268, and N269. Also reviewed in Small Group A. 2.6.7 CEN/CENELEC Keld Simonsen reported that he has been appointed liaison to WG15 from CEN/CENELEC to SC22/WG15 on such issues as character sets. 2.7Editor Report Hal Jespersen reviewed comments as outlined in N260. US Member body has suggested that it would be beneficial to reorganize the 9945-1 LIS instead of retaining the current 9945-1 document organization. (See N261) An informative annex(F) is included in CD 9945-2 draft 11.3 in answer to the reqirement to address issues relating to application portability. (JTC1 and TSG1) 2.8Rapporteur Group / Status 2.8.1 No Security Rapporteur Group Meeting has been held since the last meeting of WG15. 2.8.2 No Conformance Testing Rapporteur Group meeting has been held since the last meeting of WG15. 2.8.3 Rapporteur Group on the Coordination of Profile Activities held a meeting in January 1992. (See N247) Further discussion was referred to SG A. 2.8.4 Keld Simonsen reviewed the results of the RIN meeting held prior to the WG15 plenary meeting. (Hamilton NZ) 3.0Actions Arising from Reports See Action Items - Attachment 4.0Project Activities - registration, balloting, content _WG15 SD11_ See Small Group Reports. 4.2 9945-2 No feedback from ITTF has been received regarding format for the publication of DIS 9945-2. 5.0 New Business Discussion was held regarding the assignment of document numbers during the meeting and regarding the numbering of action items. Practice has been to assign temporary numbers during the meeting and only assigning permanent numbers as part of the closing process. The practice has been to assign new action item numbers at every meeting while keeping a reference to previous numbers where the action has not been competed. A decision was made to discuss these practices at the next meeting of WG15 in a small group on administration. 6.0 Review/Approval 6.1 Resolutions Reviewed and approved. See Attachment 6.2 Action Items Reviewed and approved. See Attachment 6.3 Issues List Reviewed. 7.0 Closing Process 7.1 Future Meeting Considerations Oct 92 c/w IEEE in UK May 93 Germany Oct 93 c/w IEEE in Washington DC Spring 94 Japan Fall 94 c/w IEEE in Canada Spring 95 France Action items were placed on Member Bodies to send letters of invitation to the WG15 Convenor re the hosting of future WG15 meetings. 7.2 Document number assignments were verified. 7.3 Patric Dempster (Canada) was selected as vice chair for the next meeting. Martin Kirk (UK) was selected as secretary for the next meeting. 7.4 See Resolution 202. 8.0 The meeting was adjourned by the chair, Ron Elliott, at 2:00PM, May 8, 1992. Attachment 1 Ralph Barker US UNIFORUM 2910 Tasman Drive Tel: +1 408 986 8840 Suite 201 Fax: +1 408 986 1645 Santa Clara email: rbarker@uniforum.org CA 95054 USA Luigi Bertuzzi Italy UNINFO Corso G.Ferraris Tel: +39 11 591964 Torino Fax: +39 11 501837 Italy David Cannon UK Computer Unit Mathematics and Geology Bldg Tel: +44 392 263956 Exeter Fax: +44 392 263108 EX4 4QU email: cannon@uk.ac.exeter UK Jean-Michel Cornu France 69 Rue de Seine 91130 Ris Orangis Tel: +33 1 6943 4847 France email: jean-michel.cornu@afuu.fr Patric Dempster Canada AT&T/NCR Systems Engineering Division Tel: +1 416 351 2344 320 Front Street West Fax: +1 416 351 2122 Toronto, Canada Ron Elliott Germany IBM Deutschland Kst. 2751 Tel: +49 7031 18 5097 Bldg 7032-87 Fax: +49 7031 18 5064 Postfach 90 08 80 email: elliott@aixsm.uunet.uu.net D7000 Stuttgart 80 Germany Roger Hicks New Zealand Roger Hicks 29 Grassways Avenue Tel: 64 9 576 4980 Pakuranga Auckland email: r.hicks@aukuni.ac.nz New Zealand Keith Hopper New Zealand Waikato University Private Bag Tel: 7 856 2889 Hamilton Fax: 7 856 0135 New Zealand email: kh@waikato.ac.nz Jim Isaak US Digital Equipment Corporation Ten Tara Blvd Tel: +1 603 884 3634 TTB1-5/G6 Fax: +1 603 884 3682 Nashua email: isaak@decvax.dec.com NH 03062 USA Hal Jespersen US POSIX Software Group 447 Lakeview Way Tel: +1 415 364 3410 Redwood City Fax: +1 415 364 4498 CA 94062 email: uunet!posix!hlj USA Martin Kirk UK X/Open Company Ltd. Apex Plaza Tel: +44 734 508311 Forbury Road Fax: +44 734 500110 Reading email: mkirk@xopen.co.uk RG1 1AX UK Roger Martin US NIST Bldg 225 Tel: +1 301 975 3295 Room B266 Fax: +1 301 590 0932 Gaithersburg email: rmartin@swe.ncsl.nist.gov MD 20899 USA Pete Meier US IBM MS 9581 11400 Tel: +1 512 838 3858 Austin Fax: +1 512 838 3882 TX 78758 email: meier@vnet.ibm.com USA Arnie Powell Canada IBM Canada Ltd. (D4/299) 3600 Steeles Avenue East Tel: +1 416 946 3911 Markham Ontario Fax: +1 416 946 2535 Canada email: arniep@canvm2.vnet.ibm.com L3R 9Z7 Nobuo Saito Japan Faculty of Environmental Information Tel: +81 466 47 5111 x3256 Keio University Fax: +81 466 47 5080 5322 Endo email: ns@sfc.keio.ac.jp Fujisawa 252 Japan Nick Schubert New Zealand A.M.S. 4 The Strand Tel: 64 9 486 2159 Auckland email: martin@animal.gcs.co.nz New Zealand Keld Simonsen Denmark DKUUG Studiestrade 6 Tel: +45 33 13 0023 DK-1455 Kobenhavn K Fax: +45 33 91 1828 Denmark email: keld@dkuug.dk Donn Terry US Hewlett Packard 3404 East Harmony Road Tel: +1 303 229 2367 Fort Collins Fax: +1 303 229 2838 CO 80525 email: donn@hpfcla.hp.com USA Stephen R Walli Canada Mortice Kern Systems Inc. 35 King Street North Tel: +1 519 884 2251 Waterloo, Ontario Fax: +1 519 884 8861 Canada email: stephe@mks.com N2T 2W9 Attachment 2: Agenda Meeting Notice and Draft Agenda ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15- POSIX Plenary and Rapporteur meetings Date: 1992 May 3-4 Internationalization Rapporteur meeting 1992 May 5-8 WG15 meeting Location:University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand Host Contact: Keith Hopper University of Waikato Private Bag 3105 Hamilton, New Zealand ph. +7 856 2889 fax:+7 856 0135 email:kh@waikato.ac.nz Chair: Ron Elliott, Germany ph. +49 7031 17 3766 email:elliott@aixsm.uunet.uu.net Vice-Chair: David Cannon Secretary: Arnie Powell Convenor: Jim Isaak, USA ph. +01 603 884-3634 email: isaak@decvax.dec.com WG15 Secretariat: Linda LeBlanc USA ph. +01 603-884-3674 email:leblanc@decvax.dec.com Rapporteur Meetings prior to MAY 5, WG15 meeting InternationalizationSunday May 3, 10AM to May 4, Evening - New Zealand WG15 Plenary meeting: Starting at 9AM May 5th Ending by 4PM May 8th The following small group meetings are expected to occur in parallel at this meeting: SG1:Review and comment on 9945-1 extensions, bindings & actions (.4, .6, .8, .12; PCTE relation, LIS), characteristics annex SG2:Disposition of comments & actions on 9945-2 (.2 and .2a) SGA:Administrative issues: NP's, planning, synchronization, Liaison, Standing document mgmt (resolutions, issues,...) 1 Opening of meeting 1.1 Welcome from Host 1.2 Introductions & Roll call of Technical Experts 1.3 Selection of Drafting Committee 1.4 Adoption of agenda _N230 1.5 Approval of minutes _N231 1.6 Action Items _Written reports Please!_ _N246 _N255 N258 1.7 Identification of Small group topics & document assignment 2 Status, Liaison and Action Item Reports _written please_ 2.1 Issues List _SD3_ Vicechair 2.1.1 US Proposal on organization of issues list _N252 N253 2.2 JTC1 actions affecting group Convenor 2.3 SC22 action, Convenor Report _N246 Convenor 2.4 Report on IEEE TCOS Standards Projects _N256 U.S. 2.5 WG15 Priorities and Target Dates Chair 2.6 Liaison Reports: _N263 N264 N265 N266 N272 N251 C language, Ada, Fortran, Modula 2 _N SC22/WG11 _N Paul Rabin PCTE _N Security, SC27, SC21 _N Kevin Murphy SC22/WG20 _N Keld Simonsen SGFS _N 2.7 Editor Report _N Hal Jespersen 2.7.1 Options handling report Hal Jespersen 2.8 Rapporteur Group report/status Security _N Kevin Murphy Conformance Testing _N Roger Martin Internationalization _N Keld Simonsen Profile Coordination _N RGCPA Lead Rap. 2.9 Resolution Status Convenor 2.10 Proposals of additional resolutions/actions 3 Actions Arising from Reports 3.1 Action related to issues 3.1.1 US Proposal on Organization of Issues List _N 3.2 Responses to JTC1 or SC22 actions _N 3.3 Proposals related to IEEE TCOS activities and/or Priorities 3.4 Review of TCOS SD11 Milestone Document _N 3.4.1 Options handling in WG15 documents 3.5 Liaison statements & actions related thereto 3.6 Actions related to Rapporteur groups 4 Project Activities - registration, balloting, content _SD11_ 4.1 9945-1 System Interface 4.1.1 Characteristics list (ref TSG1) & ITTF input U.S. 4.1.2 Organization of 9945-1 LIS - proposal U.S. 22.21.01.01 System Interface _LIS_ .1 CD reg:Q3 92  CD registration 22.21.01.01.01 Security Amendment .6 CD reg:Q3 92 OSI Directory Services and PCTE recomendations _N US CD Registration 22.21.01.01.02 Extensions to base .1 na 22.21.01.02 Real time extensions CD Ballot:Q2 92 Review of Comments 22.21.01.02.01 Extensions to real time .4 na 22.21.01.03.01 Transparent File Access .8CD reg:Q3 92 CD Registration and Review of Comments 22.21.01.03.02 Protocol Independent Interface .12 WG R&C:Q3 92 CD Registration and Liaison with SC21 22.21.01.03.03 Directory Services .17 CD reg:Q3 92 4.2 9945-2 Command and Shell 22.21.02 Shell and Utilities base .2 CD Close:2/92 SC22 N245 22.21.02.01 User Portability Extensions .2a CD Close:4/10/92 SC22 N1077  Disposition of Comments on -2.2 and -2a ballots 22.21.02.02 Security Amendment .6 CD reg:Q3 92  CD registration 22.21.02.03 additional utilities .2b  Contents for extensions & arising from Disposition of Comments 4.3 9945-3 22.21.03 System Administration .7 WG R&C:Q3 92 4.4 Language Bindings 22.c C Language binding .16 CD Reg:Q3 92 22.a Ada Language binding .5+ na 22.f Fortran Language binding .19 na WG13 Modula-2 WG13 Status Keith Hopper  Liaison & Coordination actions 4.5 22.x0TR Guide to POSIX OSE .0 CD Reg:Q4 92 4.6 22.x3Test Methods .3 CD Ballot:... 5 New Business 6 Review/approval 6.1 Resolutions Drafting Committee 6.2 Action Items Secretary 6.3 Issues List Vice Chair 7 Closing Process 7.1 Future Meeting considerations-- Request for invitations: 12-16 October 92 c/w IEEE Europe: UK April 93 Europe: Germany 11-15 October 93 c/w IEEE Washington DC April 94 Japan October 94 c/w IEEE Canada April 95 France 7.2 Document Number assignment 7.3 Selection of Vice Chair, Secretary for next meeting 7.4 Agenda for next meeting 7.5 Thanks to host 8 Adjournment Attachment 3: Minutes of Small Group 1 ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 SG1 9945-1 Issues Hamilton, New Zealand Tuesday, 5 May 1992. Documents: 260, 262, 266, 234 (.6), 242, 243,244, 273 (LIS) Attendees: Donn Terry, US HoD (Chair) Stephe Walli, CA (Sec.) Keith Hopper, NZ HoD Jim Andrews, NZ Nick , NZ Jean-Michel Cornu, FR HoD LIS Issues ---------- Keith Hopper explained his concerns with Safety Critical Software issues with respect to work going on in WG13 (Modula-2). For safety critical software there needs to exist a way of demonstrating formal correctness. The current POSIX.1/LIS is not sufficiently complete. There are two types of cases where this sort of thing occurs in the POSIX.1/LIS: - Areas where implementations can extend types, (eg. error codes) - Areas where implementations can extend structures (eg. directory struct.) Keith suggested a possible solution to these sorts of extensions which would make the LIS more complete. These were discussed at length. The purpose of the LIS is to be defined in such a way as to allow programming languages to bind to it in as easy and natural way (for the language) as possible. - Purpose of LIS is to allow other lang to bind easily. - eg and concerns surrounding pointers-to-nowhere (directory struct eg) - No way of a portable program to know the extensions (unknowable) even by name. - implementations of languages portable -- -- idea of an LIS which is good for all lang to bind -- idea that a strictly conf app runs on an implementation w additional set of extensions - a runtime error of the extensions is delivered... what happens. -- The intent of the language IS is to allow as many lang to implement as possible. -- no guarantees ... - adopt the approach of providing vendor extensions via different modules - Wg13 - will make the binding thicker - it's part of the trade off. POSIX.4 ------- AFNOR has concerns with .4a on .4 on .1 with respect to consistency of the documents. This is a TCOS-SS/SICC issue. Action: (US HoD) Forward AFNOR comments (N262) to chair IEEE POSIX.4 Action: (US HoD) Forward AFNOR comments (N262) to chair IEEE POSIX.1 Action: AFNOR will forward a statement of support to WG15 for forwarding to TCOS-SS/SEC supporting the work of POSIX.4a, and encouraging it to come forward as quickly as possible, as well as N262. POSIX.6 ------- General Q&A, ballot status, tech. completeness. General discussions of ballot procedures, etc. Action: (US HoD) Ensure all HoD receive all ballot group formation invitations, and other appropriate docs. POSIX.8 ------- POSIX.12 -------- General Q&A, ballot status, tech. completeness. Doc Structure ------------- N260, and N261 were discussed. Keld's Proposal (N266) ---------------------- Danish proposal adding two functions was discussed. One function takes a code point and returns the symbolic character name. The other function takes a symbolic character name and returns the code point. The DK explained these would be used in the implementation of things like pax -e, and iconv(). It was discussed as to whether or not this was WG15 work should be directed to the drafting body (IEEE). WG15 does not do the direct work per se. Some discussions about the first record of the new pax format containing a character set name. A concern was raised that different symbolic character names in different languages for the same charater can not be dealt with in a portable way. Another concern was raised with the practicality of naming all characters in ISO 10646. Further concerns over what other apps would be interested. - Keld felt programming languages would be interested. - Hopper discusses the possible ambiguities with the naming, ie. the messages would likely be prepared prior to the program invocation. - lack of need of dynamically allocated name use. - only dynamic use would be things like format characters. There still needs to be a translation between code pages, that the symbolic name routines do not help with. Keld is concerned that industry groups are leaning towards the use of symbolic character names. Additionally, there are a number of Danish proposals in the pipeline which depend on this particular proposal. Donn Terry is still concerned with general portable applicability. Jim Andrews (already getting the hang of this ugly standards stuff) suggests the we log the current Danish requirement with IEEE POSIX.1, and hold onto it until a separate unrelated similar requirement is brought forward. Because the timing of iconv() and pax -e are still indeterminate and these routines are being proposed solely because of these, it was felt it is too soon. Action: (US HoD) Carry the DK proposal (N266) to IEEE POSIX.1 for their review. N260: ----- Support for the proposal. N262: ----- Support for carrying forward to POSIX.4/.1 N234: ----- POSIX.6/D12 will be shaken down technically in the ballot process. Generally, different chapters are different levels of maturity. SC27 (Security and Encryption) issues and liaison (Kevin Murphy) need to be dealt with. A late co-ord ballot will be painful! We also need to be sensitive to the difference between security technolgy versus secure policies. Action: (US HoD and Sec Rap): obtain a co-ordination ballot from SC27 on current draft of POSIX.6. The IEEE PMC mentor can check PAR for other pts of co-ord. LIS N242, 243, 244: ------------------- Concerns over the usefulness of commenting on the LIS without Binding. Current IEEE balloting: - C binding must be ballotted with LIS - LIS is useful to ballot alone for other langs. Jean-Michel informs us that AFNOR has set-up to look at other lang which are not covered yet. Keith H. expresses idea of inviting the comments classified by language. General support for idea. N273: ----- WG11 wants to move the TCOS-SS/LIS Guidelines forward as a ISO TR. Concern for moving it to (i) ISO TR (ii) broader than POSIX. Idea of moving it forward as a Type 3 TR fait a compli and have it dumped on WG11 to complete the work was discussed. Concern of Paul Rabin that the current TCOS Guidelines need work and alignment with current practice in POSIX.1/LIS, POSIX.16. No one has the bandwidth. Idea of timing: begin moving it thru the works now. Other tech issues are not a problem at this time. Many issues are considered out of scope for WG11. Issues couldn't be punted in TR work as it is the scope of the doc which defines updating, but the WG scope doesn't allow them to punt issues out. SG1 Resolution 1: Whereas WG11 feels the work represented by TCOS-SS/LIS D4 is useful to all groups producing language bindings to programming language independent specifications, Therefore, WG15 resolves that the US member body forward a draft NP at the October WG15 meeting for review, bringing this document forward as a type 3 Technical Report. SG1 Resolution 2: Whereas, the POSIX.1/LIS is of interest to any language group which might wish to provide a binding to operating system services, Therefore, WG15 directs its convenor to inform all JTC1 language committees of the existance of this work and requests their review of it. Attachment 4: Minutes of Small Group A MINUTES OF SMALL GROUP ON ADMINISTRATION Wednesday, May 7, 1992 Attendees: Dave Cannon, Pete Meier, Luigi Bertussi, Arnie Powell, Roger Hicks, Jim Isaak, Ron Elliott, Roger Martin, Steve Walli Ron Elliott agreed to serve as chair. Roger Martin agreed to serve as secretary. Document 251 - SC21 Liaison. Already acted on by the plenary. Document 252 - Modus Operandi (for maintenance of SD-3) Agreed to propose a resolution adopting N252 as the modus operandi for maintenan ce of a WG15 Issues List and to use N253 as the initial draft of the Issues List. The WG15 meeting Vice-chair is in charge of updating the Issues List. The Vice- chair shall: 1).Send a flat ASCII copy of the Issues List to the convenor who will include i t in the WG15 mailing. 2).Post updated Issues List to WG15 e-mail list for advance distribution. 3).Provide a formatted electronic copy of the Issues List to the V-C of the upc oming meeting. Document 265 -NP on cultural elements and registry Agreed to support the NP proposal. Document 272 - SC22/WG20 Resolutions from Sunnyvale Reviewed. Awaiting proposed resolutions from RIN. Document 247 & 276 - RGCPA Terms of Reference In accepting the TSG-1 report, JTC1 directed WG's to address user requirements i n all of their standardization work. An action item was generated requesting the National Bodi es make recommendations on how WG15 should do this in its work. A resolution was drafted to forward P1003.0 to SC22 for review and comment. There was a lengthy discussion on the proposed Terms of Reference for RGCPA. A concern was raised regarding the authorizing of RGCPA to provide feedback directly to SGFS. Sugges tions were made for several changes. Based on the discussions, SGA agreed to propose a resolution t o plenary which would approve the Terms of Reference and Programme of Work for RGCPA with specific mod ifications. The primary change eliminates the delegation of authority to RGCPA to interact direc tly with SGFS. Document 248 - A resolution was drafted which invites National Bodies to nominate candidates fo r WG15 liaison to SC21/WG4. There was a discussion regarding the "loss" of some WG15 letter ballots which we re sent to the SC22 Secretariat but apparently not recieved. A resolution was drafted advising the SC22 Secreta riat of this problem and requesting some form of "return receipt" acknowledgement be established to elimi nate this problem in the future. Document N227 was discussed. It was decided to defer any action on this matter until the SC22 adhoc on Interpretations makes its report and recommendations available. The meeting adjourned at 12:20 Draft JTC1/SC22/WG15 N277 May 7, 1992 Final Terms of Reference and Programme of Work for the RGCPA Terms of Reference ------------------ To coordinate the participation of WG15 in all profiling activities related to WG15 standards, including, for example, framework and taxonomy development. To identify how WG15 standards should be used in profiles, thus promoting coordination and harmonization of those profiles, and to provide guidelines for the further development of WG15 standards in order to ease their use in profiles. To monitor activities relating to SGFS activities and profiles referencing WG15 standards, and to prepare feedback for WG15 response to SGFS on both procedural matters (that is, the use of the profiling techniques) as well as the technical content of those profiles. Programme of Work ----------------- Identify, establish and maintain liaisons with groups developing, or planning to develop, profiles. Proposed liaisons and liasion statements shall be submitted to WG15 for approval. RGCPA shall submit written m inutes of each meeting to WG15. Invite developers of profiles referencing WG15 standards to participate in the RGCPA for the purposes of coordination. Review of Profiles - Review, and make recommendations to WG15, on the P1003.0 guide. - Obtain early visibility of profiles that reference any POSIX standards (not limited to WG15 work items). - Review and prepare WG15 response to SGFS regarding ISP and TR10000 issues. - Advise WG15 about new work required to enable current or future profile production. Attachment 5: WG15 DRAFT RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION 184.GENERATION OF ACTION ITEMS SC22/WG15 adopts the following operating rule: All actions arising from a SC22/WG15 Resolution shall be included in the Act ion Item list for the meeting at which the Resolution is passed. The action item shall include a pointer to the corresponding Resolution. Note:As a result, document N202 will not need to be maintained. RESOLUTION 185.APPOINTMENT OF LIAISON TO SC22/WG9 SC22/WG15 appoints Dr. Theodore P. Baker as the SC22/WG15 liaison to SC22/WG9 (A da). RESOLUTION 186.APPOINTMENT OF LIAISON TO SC22/WG21 SC22/WG15 appoints Professor Nobuo Saito as the SC22/WG15 liaison to SC22/WG21 ( C++). RESOLUTION 187.APPOINTMENT OF LIAISON TO SGFS SC22/WG15 appoints Mr. Andrew Walker as the SC22/WG15 liaison to SGFS. RESOLUTION 188.RESTRUCTURING OF 9945-1 LIS and CORRESPONDING C-BINDING SC22/WG15 requests the U.S. National Body to submit the POSIX.1 LIS and correspo nding C Binding in the revised document structure, as suggested in N260 and N261, when these documents are submitted for CD registration. RESOLUTION 189.ISSUES LIST WG15 adopts N252 as the modus operandi for the Issues List RESOLUTION 190.SUPPORT FOR NP ON CULTURAL ELEMENTS & REGISTRY WG15, in general, endorses the creation of an NP as proposed in WG20 N079 with t he following comments: 1.WG15 observes that unless the WG20 term "Cultural Elements" includes concep ts or facilities other than those included within the present ISO definition of "locale" (9899, 9945), that the present ISO terminology should be used. 2.WG15 requests that SC22 modify the NP (reference ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG20 N07 9) to ensure that the registration of both "charmaps" and "locales" is provided by the resulting registry. RESOLUTION 191.POSIX.0 WG15 approves the forwarding of IEEE P1003.0 (Guide) to SC22 for review and comm ent. RESOLUTION 192.RGCPA TERMS OF REFERENCE & PROGRAMME OF WORK WG15 approves the Terms of Reference and Programme of Work for the Rapporteur Gr oup for Coordination of Profile Activities (RGCPA) proposed in WG15 N276 with the following amendment s: Terms of Reference 1. 3rd paragraph; change the second line to read: "referencing WG15 standards, and to prepare feedback for WG15 response to" Programme of Work 1. 1st paragraph; Add the following sentence to the end of the paragraph: "Proposed liaisons and liaison statements shall be submitted to WG15 fo r approval." 2. "Review of Profiles",1st bullet item; change "recommendations on" to "recommendations to WG15 on" 3. Replace the 3rd bullet item with the following: "Review and prepare WG15 responses to SGFS regarding ISP and TR1 0000 issues." 4. Add a the following as the final paragraph: "Submit written minutes of each meeting to WG15." RESOLUTION 193. "LOST" LETTER BALLOTS WG15 notes that certain WG15 Letter Ballot responses apparently have bee n transmitted to, but not received by the SC22 secretariat. WG15 requests that the SC22 secretari at investigate this problem and consider some form of acknowledgement of receipt of ballots. RESOLUTION 194. FORWARDING 9945-2 WITH AMENDMENT FOR DIS REGISTRATION AND BALLOT Whereas, WG15 documents N281 and N282 represent a Disposition of Comment s on CD 9945-2.2 and CD Amendment 1 to 9945-2 respectively, and The dispositions have been approved by all WG15 members attending its Ma y 1992 meeting, and Affirmative ballots have been received in the meeting on the Amendment 1 from three additional member bodies (Denmark, France, and New Zealand), and The Japanese member body has agreed that, based on these dispositions, i ts ballot should now be considered Affirmative, Therefore, WG15 requests that the CD 9945-2.2 and CD Amendment 1 documen ts be combined (by the US member body) and forwarded to SC22 Secretariat for DIS registration and ballot, taking into account the changes identified in these disposition of comment documents. It is expected that an amendment to address additional facilities identi fied in the CD balloting process will be brought forward by WG15. The proposed content of this a mendment will be described in an informative annex of the DIS document. It is proposed that this ame ndment be approved as quickly as possible. RESOLUTION 195. I18N QUESTIONNAIRE Whereas the RIN Programme of Work includes carrying out a survey to capt ure the requirements relevant to internationalization; therefore WG15 forwards to SC22 P and O member bodies the RIN National C onventions Questionnaire (WG15 N214) for completion. The return of the completed questionnaires within the next six months will result in a better understanding of the internationalization requirement s of different member bodies. RESOLUTION 196. RIN TERMS of REFERENCE and PROGRAM of WORK WG15 approves WG15 N280 as the revised Terms of Reference and Programme of Work for the Rapporteur Group on Internationalization (RIN). RESOLUTION 197. NP for LIS Whereas WG11 has endorsed (WG15 N273) the work represented by TCOS-SS/LI S Guidelines, Therefore, WG15 requests the US member body submit a draft NP for a type 3 Technical Report for review at the October, 1992 WG15 meeting. RESOLUTION 198. REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT ON LIS Whereas, JTC1 WD 9945-1 (POSIX LIS) is of interest to any language group which might wish to provide a binding to POSIX operating system services, Therefore, WG15 directs its convenor to inform all JTC1 language committ ees and other interested JTC1 subgroups of the existence of this work and to request their review and comment. RESOLUTION 199. REPORT TO SC22 ON WG15 INTERNATIONALIZATION ACTIVITIES WG15 approves the report on internationalization contained in WG15 N278. WG15 forwards this report, together with the documents N280 and N217R, as its response to the SC22 request for a report on WG15 internationalization activities. RESOLUTION 200. CORRECTING TECHNICAL DEFECTS IN LIS AND C BINDING SPECIFICATIONS Whereas WG15 has requested (WG15 Resolution 87) the POSIX.1/LIS and POSI X.16 (C Binding) be brought forward as a "precisely functional equivalent" of 9945-1:1990, and, there are known "technical defects" (as defined in JTC1 1838, directive 6.13.1) in the 9945-1:1990 document; therefore, WG15 requests that the US member body make appropriate change s, whenever possible, to the POSIX.1/LIS and POSIX.16 (C Binding) specifications to correct known tec hnical defects in the document prior to submission for IEEE ballot. These document changes should be c learly identified as ancilliary information circulated with the documents. RESOLUTION 201. LIAISON STATEMENT TO WG20 WG15 instructs its liaison to WG20 to transmit WG15 N283 as a WG15 liais on statement to WG20. RESOLUTION 202. APPRECIATIONS SC22/WG15 thanks Waikato University, the Standards Association of New Ze aland, and especially, Mr. Keith Hopper and Mr. Roger Hicks for arranging and hosting this meeting and Mr. Michael Day for providing logistical support during the meeting. SC22/WG15 thanks Mr. Ron Elliott for chairing the meeting. SC22/WG15 thanks Mr. Arnie Powell for serving as secretary for the meeti ng. SC22/WG15 thanks Mr. Roger Martin, Mr. Ralph Barker, Mr. Martin Kirk, an d Mr. Keld Simonsen for participating on the Drafting Committe Attachment 6: Action Items Action 9205-01: US National Body to forward a document (IEEE 1003.3(1991) to SC2 2 for CD registration and concurrent CD ballot. (see Resolution 182) Action 9205-02: Luigi Bertuzzi: Provide an annotated bibliography of known CEC, SOGITS, etc. documents of interest of to WG15. (Action Item 9010-18.) Action 9205-03: The Vice Chair is to update and distribute a copy of N253 to the convenor(flat ascii file) and the WG15 email distribution. N253 becomes the revised SD3. Action 9111-04: US national body: Send WG15-N177, first 3 chapters of 1003.1 LIS , to SC22 secretariat for onward distribution to SC22 working groups for review and comment. (Arises from resolution 126.) (open action 9105-29 and 9111-10) Action 9205-05: Liaison to WG11: Review the content of WG15-N173, LIS guidelines , with reference to the work of WG11. (Arises from resolution 126.) (open action 9105-32 and 9111-12) Action 9205-06: SGFS liaison to provide documents from SGFS Profiles sub-group m eeting to WG15 along with cover note indicating what action should be taken. (open action 9111-15) Action 9205-07: WG15 Convenor to forward N278, N280, and N217R to SC22 as a rep ort on WG15 internationalization activities. Action 9205-08: US National Body to send letter of invitation to WG15 Convenor r e hosting the fall 1993 WG15 meeting. Action 9205-09: Danish Member Body to prepare and submit a specific proposal reg arding conversions between code sets (based on charmaps, or otherwise; proposal should give appropriate consider ation to XPG iconv). (open action item 9111-20) Action 9205-10: WG15 Internationalisation Rapporteur to co-ordinate review and c omment on the codeset conversion proposal with the IEEE-CS TCOS working group. (open action item 9111- 21) Action 9205-11: Danish Member Body to expand and clarify proposal contained in R IN N0047 regarding usage of national characters (as defined in ISO 646 national positions), giving considera tion that such proposal: 1) addresses all aspects of proposed standard, rather than JUST the she ll, (e.g. it should work with not only shell, but also regular expressions, awk, etc.) 2) should allow use of all features of the proposed standard, maintaini ng conformance, (e.g. currently proposed use of "--" would conflict with existing use) 3) should provide a general solution for similar requirements of other countries 4) should be sensitive to the cost/benefit ratio of imposing the soluti on in relation to existing implementations. (open action item 9111-25) Action 9205-12: France to investigate on co-ordination procedure between their A da ExTRA and POSIX Real-time groups and to report back before the May 1992 WG15 meeting. (Done but doc not re ceived) (open action item 9111- 31) Action 9205-13: Danish Member Body to report any feedback from ITTF back to WG15 . (open action item 9111-46) Action 9205-14: Member Bodies to consider what means are appropriate to include technical corrigenda and proposed new functionality in a revised 9945-1 considering also the requirement that the LI work be done "with no net change" and to propose any recommendationsby October 1992. (open action i tem 9111-52) Action 9205-15: The secretary is to provide a list of actions covering the open resolutions identified in N202, and the resolutions developed at Kista. Action 9205-16: WG15 Convenor to notify SC22/WG9 and Dr. Ted Baker that he has b een appointed as Liaison to SC22/WG9. (Ada) Action 9205-17: UK Member Body to forward a WG15 request to the Lead Rapporteur of the Rapporteur Group on Security to review the status and requirement for the rapporteur group at the ne xt meeting of WG15. Action 9205-18: WG15 Convenor to update SD6 with respect to recently appointed W G15 liaisons. Action 9205-19: Member bodies are requested to comment on annex F of CD 9945-2 D raft 11.3. This annex was created to address portability considerations. Comments are requested by the nex t meeting of WG15. Action 9205-20: National Bodies to consider criteria for category "C" liasion to WG15, its rapporteur groups, and project activities, and to provide feeedback to WG15 by August 1, 1992. Action 9205-21: Project Editor: Forward N281 and N282 to the SC22 Secretariat. Action 9205-22: Danish National Body to provide copies of ballot comments on Sec urity NP to WG15. Action 9205-23: Project editor to add an informative annex to CD 9945-2 to indic ate functionality that is under consideration to satisfy previously identified requirements and to distribute, b y email, a preliminary version to National Bodies by 05/15/92. Action 9205-24: National Bodies to respond on Project Editor's preliminary versi on of the informative annex (new functionality under consideration for inclusion in 9945-2) by 06/15/92. Action 9205-25: WG15 Convenor to investigate the process (rapid ammendment) poss ibilities available to move the planned ammendment to CD 9945-2 through the international process as quickly as possible and report back to WG15 at the next meeting. Action 9205-26: German National Body to send letter o f invitation to WG15 Convenor re hosting the spring 93 WG15 meeting. Action 9205-27: Japan National Body to send letter of invitation to WG15 Conveno r re hosting spring 1994 WG15 meeting. Action 9205-28: Canadian National Body to send letter of invitation to WG15 Conv enor re hosting fall 1994 WG15 meeting. Action 9205-29: French national Body to send letter of invitation to WG15 Conven or re hosting spring 1995 WG15 meeting. Action 9205-30: Member bodies to advise project editor of proposed attendance at the planned October IEEE 1003.2 meeting in Utrecht. Meeting will be convened as a 9945-2 ad hoc on Oct 22 ,23 1992 if there is enough member body interest. Action 9205-31: Denmark to provide to the US Member Body detailed proposals for areas identified in their 9945- 2.2 comments #s 2, 5, and 9 addressing resolution comments in N281. Action 9205-32: Japan to provide to the US Member Body proposals for areas ident ified in their 9945-2.2 comments #s 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 54, and 57 addressing resolution comments in N281. Action 9205-33: US Member Body: Submit early draft of P1003.2b that addresses de ferred issues from CD 9945-2 and CD Amendment 1 ballots for review at the October 1992 meeting. Action 9205-34: US Member Body: Report on the status of resolution 131. (ref: ac tion items 9111-11 and 9105-31) Action 9205-35: US Member Body: Report on the status of resolution 135. (ref: ac tion items 9111-11 and 9105-31) Action 9205-36: US Member Body: Report on the status of resolution 148. (ref: ac tion items 9111-11 and 9105-31) Action 9205-37: French National Body: Forward a statement of support to WG15 for forwarding to TCOS-SS/SEC supporting the work of POSIX .4a and encouraging it to come forward as quickly a s possible, as well as N262. Action 9205-38: US Member Body to forward AFNOR comments, N262 to the chair of I EEE POSIX .4. Action 9205-39: US Member Body : Ensure that all ballot group formation invitati ons and other appropriate documents to national member bodies. (HODs) Action 9205-40: US Member Body: Forward the Danish proposal, N266 to IEEE POSIX. 1 for their review. Action 9205-41: US Member Body: Obtain a coordination ballot from SC27 on the cu rrent draft of POSIX.6. Action 9205-42: WG15 Convenor to notify Convenor of WG21 that Professor Nobuo Sa ito has been nominated as Liaison to SC22/WG21. (C++) (Resolution 186) Action 9205-43: WG15 Convenor to notify Mr. Andrew Walker and the Chair of SGFS of Andrew's appointment as the SC22/WG15 Liaison to SGFS. (Resolution 187) Action 9205-44: US Member Body to forward a copy of the initial ballot draft IEE E P1003.0 (Guide) to SC22 for review and comment. (Resolution 191) Action 9205-45: National Bodies are requested to nominate candidates for Liaison to SC21/WG4. Action 9205-46: WG15 Convenor to notify the SC22 Secretariat that ballot respons es from New Zealand, Japan, and Denmark were transmitted by the National Bodies to the SC22 Secretariat but appa rently not received and reflected in the ballot summary. (Resolution 193) Action 9205-47: Japanese National Body to advise SC22 Secretariat in writing tha t they have changed their no vote on advancing CD 9945-2 and CD Amendment 1 to DIS to a yes vote. (Resolution 194) Action 9205-48: US Member Body to forward 9945-2(combined 2/2a) to SC22 Secretar iat for DIS registration and ballot. (Resolution 194) Action 9205-49: WG15 Convenor to forward the RIN National Conventions Questionai re to the SC22 Secretariat for distribution to SC22 P and O members. (Resolution 195) Action 9205-50: US Member Body to submit a draft NP for LIS at the next meeting of WG15 bringing this document forward as a type 3 Technical Report. (Resolution 197) Action 9205-51: WG15 Convenor to inform all JTC1 language committees of WD 9945- 1(LIS) and request their review and comment. (Resolution 198) Action 9205-52: WG15 Liaison to WG20 to transmit WG15 N283 as a WG15 liaison to statement to WG20. (Resolution 201) Action 9205-53: Lead Rapporteur - Security Rapporteur Group: Investigate liasion with EWOS re security issues and report back to WG15 at WG15's next meeting. Action 9205-54: WG15 Convenor: Reqest feedback from ITTF on format prior to the Distribution of DIS 9945-2. *********************************************************** Action items arising out of resolutions from the October 1991 Kista meeting of W G15 and from WG15 N202. This list was developed to satisfy the requirements of action item 9205-04. *********************************************************** Action 9205-55: US National Body to investigate the concerns expressed in ISO/IE C JTC1/SC22/WG15 N220 and propose a solution to these issues, also taking into account the ECMA PCTE work, and to provide this to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 for its next meeting. Action 9205-56: US National Body to review the ECMA PCTE (ECMA 149 - Abstract Sp ecification & 158 - C Language Binding) with respect to its security functions, and to report back the findings at the next ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 meeting. Action 9205-57: National Bodies to nominate candidates for the position of Liais on to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG13. (Modula-2) Action 9205-58: WG15 Convenor to forward N227 to the Convenor of ISO/IEC JTC1/SC 22 Ad Hoc on Interpretations with the request that the Convenor of WG15 provide feedback to WG15 at its next meeting. Action 9205-59: National Bodies to nominate candidates for the position of Liais on to ECMA TC33. Action 9205-60: WG15 Convenor to request that SC22 notify its working groups dev eloping POSIX language bindings to activly participate in the development of POSIX language independent standard s in order to ensure that the requirements for their language bindings are met.