From NickS@webvangroup.com Wed Feb 2 19:19:41 2000 Received: from hq-exchange-01.isrworld.com (ws-209-233-228-35.webvangroup.com [209.233.228.35]) by dkuug.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA42444 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:19:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from NickS@webvangroup.com) Received: by hq-exchange-01.isrworld.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:19:08 -0800 Message-ID: From: Nick Stoughton To: "'SC22WG15@dkuug.dk'" Subject: Page numbers in Cross References Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:19:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As lead Rapporteur to the rap group on revising, and WG15 OR to the Austin Group, it falls upon me to open this discussion within WG15, and help remove it from the Austin Group mail list. For those of you who have not followed this discussion already there, I refer you to the mail archive at www.opengroup.org/austin. For some time now we have been discussing the pros and cons of having page numbers in cross references. For example, (See 6.2.3.4.5.1, page 856). While most people believe that such page numbers are useful and beneficial to end user, there is at present an explicit ISO rule forbidding such. The ISO rule is to avoid referring to page numbers; this is in fact stated clearly in part 3 of the ISO/IEC Directives: "References shall be made in the forms indicated in 6.6.6.2 to 6.6.6.5 and shall not be made to page numbers" (last paragraph of 6.6.6.1). Donn Terry has suggested that WG15 make a recommendation to SC22 and thence to JTC1 and the ITTF to alter this rule, to use the text below. "An ISO standard is permitted to add page number or hypertext intra-document cross references in addition to the section numbers currently used. However, if page number cross references are provided, they are wholly the responsibility of the authors of the document and must be correct in any alternative presentations and/or translations of the document which are under the control of either ISO or the original authors." (This implies that the authors are responsible at least for the typesetting of any translations.) Note that the proposal is to SUPPLEMENT clause numbers with page numbers, and not to replace them! Page numbers are provided automatically by most document processing systems. I would like to place an action on all member bodies to consider this proposal and make a yes/no recommendation by the date of the next meeting of the rapporteur group. This next meeting will align with the next meeting of the Austin Group in May (exact date and location to be announced). You may also make comments on this in response to the previous WG15 AI, 9907-21, which is currently scheduled to close 2000-03-10. -- Nick Stoughton Webvan Group Inc Usenix Standards Liaison 650 627 3277 510 366 6176 (cell)