From ns@slab.sfc.keio.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 15:36:45 1997 Received: from slab.sfc.keio.ac.jp (klein.slab.sfc.keio.ac.jp [133.27.68.16]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA26215 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:36:40 +0200 From: ns@slab.sfc.keio.ac.jp Received: from meteor (meteor.slab.sfc.keio.ac.jp [133.27.68.37]) by slab.sfc.keio.ac.jp (8.6.10+2.5Wb1/3.4Wbeta2-95033021) with SMTP id WAA06097; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:36:18 +0900 Received: from localhost by meteor (4.1/6.4J.6-slab-slave1.0) id AA29539; Tue, 23 Sep 97 22:36:17 JST Message-Id: <9709231336.AA29539@meteor> To: sc22wg15@dkuug.dk, dwc@eng.sun.com, ajosey@opengroup.org, longman@zk3.dec.com, odonnell@zk3.dec.com Subject: National Profile Guideline Development Meeting Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 22:36:16 +0900 Dear Folks: I am sorry to be late to send you the minutes for the meeting for the Guideline for POSIX National Profiles and Locales being held in IEEEE PASC at Nashua, NH last July. Please find the following minutes. The conclusion is that there seems to be very weak request from the venders and users to refer to such a guideline for developing POSIX national profiles and locales. It is therefore better to discuss this matter in e-mail in SC22 WG15 people whether we should continue this work or not. My impression is that the problems and techniques relating to internationalization and localization seem to be matured recently, and it is too late to develop such a guideline. It is ,of course, necessary to continue this work if there is very strong support by WG15 people, since the first request was proposed by Japanese delegation. Anyway, please discuss about this matter in e-mail first, and we would like to reach the conclusion at the WG15 meeting held this October in Canada. Expecting to hearing from anybody who has a clear opinion about this matter Nobuo Saito --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Minutes for National Profiles and National Locales (IEEE P1494): Meeting called to order at 9:25am Wednesday July 16, 1997. Introduction of Participants: Nobuo Saito - Keio University (Chair) ns@sfc.keio.ac.jp Don Cragun - Sun Microsystems, Inc. (acting secretary) dwc@eng.sun.com Andrew Josey - The Open Group ajosey@opengroup.org Wai-Man Long - Digital Equipment Corp longman@zk3.dec.com Sandra martin O'Donnell - Digital Equipment Corp odonnell@zk3.dec.com Don Cragun agreed to act as secretary for this meeting. There is already a WG15 work item (14766) for this project. The WG15 Technical Editor for this project is Keld Simonsen. The PAR for this project was approved by IEEE in December 1996. This is the first meeting of the working group. Professor Saito would like to have few face-to-face meetings and handle the rest of the work by email. Sandra noted that there was the X/Open Joint Internationalization Group that has adopted about 20 national profiles. The profiles registered there for Canada and Japan has been well accepted, but most of the other country profiles have not been widely adopted. There was some discussion about the need for a guide in this area given that few countries seem to be actively producing national profiles. There was agreement that system vendors would like to see more national profiles. ISO TR 10000 documents how to produce profiles, but the intent is that this group should provide more specific guidance on how to produce locales and profiles based on the POSIX.2 localedef facilities. There is also a section in IEEE Std 1003.0-1995 dealing with I18N, but it does not seem to apply to this work. There was a discussion about how far this group should go. If it limits itself to POSIX, it won't apply to Java, GUIs, and other areas. But, if we limit the scope to POSIX, it is more likely to be useful for the topic it covers. There is no intent at this time to produce profiles and locales based anything other than POSIX. Except for Professor Saito, we found that none of the attendees expect to atively partipate in this project. It was suggested that the chair try to contact other people by email to see if active participation can be found for continued work by email. If none can be found, the IEEE PASC PAR should be withdrawn. Meeting adjourned at 11:05am. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------