From keld@dkuug.dk Fri Jul 21 00:32:11 1995 Received: by dkuug.dk id AA13847 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for sc22wg15@dkuug.dk); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:32:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199507202032.AA13847@dkuug.dk> From: keld@dkuug.dk (Keld J|rn Simonsen) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:32:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: Paul Rabin "9945-1 LIS" (Jul 18, 14:38) X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mnemonic-Intro: 29 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.2 4/12/91) To: Paul Rabin , isaak@ljo.dec.com Subject: Re: 9945-1 LIS Cc: sc22wg15@dkuug.dk Paul Rabin writes: > > Keld, > > Please accept my apologies for the delay in getting the LIS sources to you. > I am on vacation this week, and at an X/Open Technical Manager's meeting > next week, and will not be back in my office until July 31. OK, so we can do the transfer at that time? > > One coordination issue that we need to deal with in bringing outside > volunteer effort into the IEEE development process, is IEEE ballot > resolution. I know that administrative procedures can be hard to exercise, and this was not a part of the work we planned for. Our intention was to just go forward without any administrative changes as we do not know the outcome of it anyway. I do not mind if you would like to use this as a kind of trial baloon on something different administratively, but I fear that it may cause harm to the project, attracting valuable people ressources to the administrative hurdles, instead of just work on the technical things. My understanding is that WG15 people are invited to participate in all IEEE POSIX meetings, and as such we need no further arrangements for the work. It will just be going as usial, and the message that we got from US member body was that nobody in IEE was interesetd, so I think the 2 people interested can hold meetings then at an interim basis more or less as they please. I am planning to go to the October IEEE meeting and willing to talk with some group there. Please note that my schedile will be tight for that week, I need to attend a WG14 meeting also in Nashua. > THe current status of 9945-1 LIS is that a complete draft > has been developed (complete with respect to the scope of IEEE 1003.1) > and has been through the first round of official IEEE balloting, and > has gotten stuck in the middle of ballot resolution. Nearly all of the > objections raised have been discussed with the objectors (where necessary), > but the draft has not been revised, and the usual ballot database has > not been created and updated to record the resolutions. What exists is > a heavily annotated (by hand) paper copy of 9945-1 LIS, and a partially > annotated (by hand) set of paper copies of the ballot comments and > objections. I have electronic copies of some, but not all, of the > ballots. So would you do the application of these changes to the draft, or should we do it - then we need all the things here. > So the next step is to produce a new draft for a) IEEE recirculation > ballot, and b) CD registration. This draft must incorporate resolutions > to the comments and objections from the first ballot, and may incorporate > additional enhancements, as long as we can be confident that these will > not reduce ballot group consensus. It should be possible to get 75% > approval on the recirculation ballot, and we would probably need one > further recirculation ballot to get securely above 75%. That sounds promising! > Of course, two amendments to 9945-1 have already been (or are about to be) > approved in JTC1, and it is likely that two or three more will be approved > and 9945-1 subject to a revision, by the time that 9945-1 LIS is ready for > DIS registration. If there is a requirement for the scope of the LIS to > catch up with 9945-1, then we have a problem. Ithat is part of what we need to investigate. I would say, lets see if we could do it, but under the current pressure of killing the project, and otherwise bad press that we have then I would rather like to get something out of the door. Then we can always schedule an amendment. > The IEEE 1003.1 working group has promised to allocate some time during > the January, 1996 POSIX meeting for LIS development. I assume that it > will not be possible for you to attend. I think that there will be a > later meeting in 1996 held in Europe, but I don't have the details with > me. [Jim ?] It is not impossible for me to attend the january IEEE meeting, but it is not in my schedule. Where and when is it? keld