From isaak@csac.ljo.dec.com Thu Nov 3 05:40:11 1994 Received: from crl.dec.com by dkuug.dk with SMTP id AA10033 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:43:00 +0100 Received: by crl.dec.com; id AA20654; Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:37:40 -0500 Received: by csac.ljo.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3)id AA22093; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:40:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:40:11 -0500 From: isaak@csac.ljo.dec.com (Jim Isaak- isaak@csac.enet.dec.com) Message-Id: <9411031540.AA22093@csac.ljo.dec.com> To: sc22wg15@dkuug.dk Subject: some SC22 feedback on WG15 questions X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Keld has asked some questions of Bob Follett that provide feedback on some of the action items and questions that WG15 had at last week's meetings. I will still forward the questions in my report to SC22 since that will help establish the WG level interest that Bob want's to convey to other groups. Thanks for helping to get some of these cleared up. Jim ----------------------------------- Return-Path: us1rmc::follett@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:34:52 -0500 From: us1rmc::follett@access.digex.net (Bob Follett) To: Keld J|rn Simonsen Cc: SC22 Subject: (SC22.653) Re: JTC1 Plenary, 24-28 October 1994 in Geneva Keld, let me address your two sets of questions in sequence. First, regarding referencing non-ISO/IEC/ITU standards and specifications, I said that JTC1 has established a WG to formulate a JTC1 policy in this area. JTC1 expects to adopt a policy at its June 1995 plenary. The exceptional basis is only until the policy is established, after which the policy will apply. Therefore, unless we have a standard that includes such references and is to be published within the next nine months, there is no need to answer any of the questions you raise. Presumably, the policy will answer them. On the other hand, if we have specific needs for referencing in our standards, we should make this known to the WG that is formulating the JTC1 policy. I would be glad to receive input on this subject and pass along a consolidated response to JTC1 from SC22. However, in order to assure some coordination and order in this process, I would prefer comments on particular standards' needs to come through the WG Convener responsible for the standards. Regarding CEN representation, the example you cite is exactly what it means. Two persons from a CEN TC could be at WG20 and two different persons could be at WG15. (Of course, they could also be the same if that is what the CEN TC wanted.) As far as the other way around is concerned, the situation is exactly parallel. SC22 can nominate up to two representatives to attend a CEN TC or SC. However, participation in a CEN WG is subject to invitation by the WG's parent committee. The limitation of two persons still applies but we could send two different persons to different CEN WGs or SCs or TCs. Note that the policy also says: "Such representatives are expected to represent the views/provide information on behalf of the committee which nominates them. Additionally, such representatives should have an official function in the committee which nominates them (i.e., they should be either the chairman, secretary, WG convener, or project leader/editor)." Regards, Bob On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Keld J|rn Simonsen wrote: > Bob Follett writes: > > > The issue of referencing non-ISO/IEC/ITU standards and specifications in > > International Standards was discussed but not resolved. ITTF permits this > > but leaves it up to individual TCs as to whether or not to do so. JTC1 > > established a new WG on Reference Specifications to address this issue and > > formulate JTC1 policy for approval at the June 1995 JTC1 plenary. The > > membership of this WG shall consist of delegates from interested and > > affected NBs and JTC1 subgroups. The WG will meet in France in February. > > > > If anyone is interested in participating on behalf of SC22, please let me > > know. Until JTC1 does set a policy in this area, SCs are requested to use > > this referencing on an exceptional basis. > > What would this mean for referencing in SC22 standards a CEN standard, > for example the forthcoming CEN Cultural Conventions registration > standard? Would that mean that SC22 could as an exception use this > specific standard in some references, there have been proposals to > do this for COBOL, POSIX, C and C++ ? > > Do we need agreement higher up, that is JTC1? > > Do we need a SC22 plenary resolution or letter ballot for each foreign > standard referenceable? > > > CEN representation at JTC1 WGs. At our request, ITTF clarified that the > > CEN representatives to an SC and to its WGs do not have to be the same > > individuals (as the original wording of the JTC1 resolution implied). > > There is still a maximum to two representatives to an SC or to a WG, but > > they can be different persons in each case. > > I would like to have this clarified, by an example. > Would that mean that there could be 2 persons from CEN at WG20 meetings > and two other persons from CEN at WG15 meetings? > > What about the other way, JCT1 people at CEN meetings - do we need > an invitation, and could we have different people going to different > CEN TCs and WGs? > % ====== Internet headers and postmarks (see DECWRL::GATEWAY.DOC) ====== % Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by us1rmc.bb.dec.com (5.65/rmc-22feb94) id AA24930; Wed, 2 Nov 94 22:31:33 -050 % Received: from dkuug.dk by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA20853; Wed, 2 Nov 94 19:29:26 -080 % Received: by dkuug.dk id AA23213 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for SC22-list); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 03:45:34 +010 % Message-Id: <199411030245.AA23213@dkuug.dk> % Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:45:12 -0500 (EST) % From: Bob Follett % X-Sequence: SC22@dkuug.dk 653 % Errors-To: SC22-request@dkuug.dk % To: Keld J|rn Simonsen % Cc: SC22 % Subject: (SC22.653) Re: JTC1 Plenary, 24-28 October 1994 in Geneva % In-Reply-To: <199411020523.AA22604@dkuug.dk> % Mime-Version: 1.0 % Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII % X-Charset: ASCII % X-Char-Esc: 29