From comp@komp.ace.nl Tue Apr 19 12:11:48 1994 Received: from komp.ace.nl by dkuug.dk with SMTP id AA23045 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Tue, 19 Apr 1994 12:11:48 +0200 Received: by komp.ace.nl with SMTP id AA10870 (1.10/2.17); Tue, 19 Apr 94 12:13:39 +0100 (MET) To: Prof Nobuo Saito Cc: Jeremy Tucker , sc22wg15@dkuug.dk Subject: Guide for POSIX National Profile and National Locale Reply-To: Willem Wakker Date: Tue, 19 Apr 94 12:13:36 O Message-Id: <10868.766750416@komp> From: Willem Wakker X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Dear Professor Saito, Just before I left for the EWOS EG-OSE meeting I received the first draft of the Guide for POSIX National Profile and National Locale, and although this was not sent as a formal request for review, I took the liberty to table this document at the EWOS meeting for a short discussion. This email is to inform you of our thoughts. At this moment however there is no formal EWOS position on this matter. It is likely that the chair of the EG-OSE, Mr. Jeremy Tucker, will be on the UK delegation to WG15, and he will be more than happy to discuss these issues further with you and RIN. As I will attend the JTC1 WG on De Facto Standards, which will be held in the same week as the WG15 meeting, I will not be in Tokyo. In any case, EWOS EG-OSE (and SGFS!) is very interested in the concepts that you are developing, and we would like to be kept updated as much as possible. Issue 1: the relationship with TR10000. We have the feeling that the response from SGFS to WG15 on the issue of National Profiles was misunderstood. SGFS did not see a need for a special class for National Profiles. However, this does not mean that National Profiles are not Profiles in the TR10000 sense. This means that National Profiles, like all other SGFS Profiles, should follow TR10000, and especially TR10000-1. When WG15 considers it necessary to have special requirements for National Profiles (and these can be very legitimate), then the document should first include (by reference) TR10000-1 (and not just the subset of section 6.3.1), and then specify the additional requirements. The current draft simply repeats large portions of the text of TR10000-1 which is not a good idea: this suggests that requirements on National Profiles are essential different from those on `normal' Profiles. As this is not the case (or should not be the case), there should be only one document describing the `common' requirements. Issue 2: what is defined by a National Profile? We have the feeling that what is needed is a Profile that describes an incomplete product: it refers to the base standards, with their options (especially the I18N option), and the interface to the National Locale. The Profile is made to a complete specification by National Member Bodies by specifying the National Locale (thereby making it a `real' National, i.e. US, Japanese or Danish, Profile). The requirement for an `incomplete' ISP is not new: the Common Upper Layer Requirement Profile (CURL, ISP 11188-1) is also such a profile. So, the `International' part of a National Profile can very well be (and should be!) an ISP. Having said this, the question araises: what is a National Profile, as described in this draft? Is it the International subset profile, or is it the localized (nationalized) profile? Some minor points: - the current thinking goes towards profiles that refer to other profiles. I think that it would be (more?) useful to have the National Profiles refer to the POSIX Profile (like .18), let .18 define the relationship between 9945-1 and 9945-2, and have the National Profile define the `overall' national requirements. - has any consideration been given to application of the National Profile concept to areas outside POSIX? Should you need any further information on the above points, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Willem Wakker, secretary EWOS EG-OSE. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Willem Wakker email: cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc ACE Associated Computer Experts bv ...!mcsun!ace!willemw van Eeghenstraat 100 tel: +31 20 6646416 1071 GL Amsterdam fax: +31 20 6750389 The Netherlands eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee