From martin@xopen.co.uk Fri Nov 6 15:24:44 1992 Received: from ben.uknet.ac.uk by dkuug.dk with SMTP id AA10488 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:00:30 +0100 Received: from eros.uknet.ac.uk by ben.uknet.ac.uk via UKIP with SMTP (PP) id ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:39:38 +0000 Received: from xopen.co.uk by eros.uknet.ac.uk via UKIP with SMTP (PP) id <3720-0@eros.uknet.ac.uk>; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:26:20 +0000 Received: by xopen (1.36.108.3/15.6) id AA18216; Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:26:05 GMT Message-Id: <9211061526.AA18216@xopen.co.uk> Received: from localhost by xopuk with SMTP (1.36.108.3/16.2) id AA29517; Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:24:44 GMT To: sc22wg15@dkuug.dk Reply-To: m.kirk@xopen.co.uk Subject: WG15 Minutes (ASCII 2 of 3) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:24:44 GMT From: Martin Kirk X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 issues and whether timescale mis-match would make such a meeting productive were expressed. Action 9210-79: Project Editor: Convene a ballot resolution group in New Orleans in January 1993 in conjunction with the IEEE meeting in order to prepare a Disposition of Comments on the CD ballot of Project JTC 1 22.21.01.02, and to forward the Disposition of Comments to the WG15 Convenor, the US, and SC22. (Resolution 224) Action 9210-80: US: Provide to the WG15 Convenor a document incorporating the changes arising from the Disposition of Comments for registration as a second CD. (Resolution 224) Action 9210-81: Convenor: Forward the document provided by the US Member Body incorporating the Disposition of Comments to the SC22 Secretariat for registration as a second CD. (Resolution 224) 4.2 9945-2 Concern was expressed as to the progress being made on the publication of the DIS ballot of 9945-2. Action 9210-82: Convenor: Determine the status of publication of the DIS ballot of 9945-2 as soon as possible and advise WG15 by E-mail. WG15/N298 is a liaison statement from SC15 regarding media formats. WG15 believes that due to the preliminary nature of this document no action required at this time. However, the PAX interface may be relevant and it will be forwarded to SC15 for information. An ad-hoc meeting on P1003.2b was held in Utrecht last week. A full report was given to the RIN meeting. 4.3 9945-3 There was discussion of a liaison statement that was drafted by SC21/WG4 at its meeting in Ottawa in May. The document has apparently not officially been received by WG15 and thus the discussion was for the purpose of information only. The topic was software management. There is overlap only in the area of software installation and it is not expected that this will be significant. WG4 concerns are complimentary with those of WG15. Liaison will be maintained in order to ensure that this situation is maintained. Martin Kirk gave a briefing on the status of P1003.7. 10 - 15 documents of approx. 200 pages each are expected over time, rather than a single very large documents. The documents will contain command line interfaces and managed object definitions. APIs will be provided where applicable. In addition, other definitions, e.g. distribution formats, will be provided as required. Documents covering Print Management and Software Management are expected to be forwarded to WG15 in 2Q93 and 4Q93 respectively. Japan provided some comments on the Print Management document. They will be forwarded to the P1003.7. Action 9210-83: US: Forward the Japanese comments on P1003.7.1 D4 to P1003.7. Copies of P1003.7.1 D6 and P1003.7.2 D6 were provided to each delegation on an informal basis, not as an official WG15 distribution. The Project Editor proposed that there existed an opportunity to modify the document structure plan and assign a different number to 9945-3. This would allow the various parts of P1003.7 to be separate parts of the final ISO document, thus greatly simplifying the management of the evolution of the document. Action 9210-84: Member Bodies: Consider the proposal to modify the Document Structure Plan by assigning a new number to 9945-3 and provide feedback to the Project Editor by January 31 1993. 4.4 Language Bindings The US submitted WG15/N310 proposing the fast-track of P1003.5. Canada felt that fast-track is not within competence of WG15. The US agreed that it could be submitted to JTC 1, but would like WG15 discussion/endorsement first. New Zealand asked why a standard is being proposed that will be replaced with 18 months, which is how long fast-track will take, and suggested that perhaps a Type 2 Technical Report might be better. The US said that their most recent fast-track experience is 12 months. Also, .5 now meets the criteria set down by WG15 in Rosario. Fast-track would reduce the load on WG15 and provide something useful to the industry. France supported this proposal as it would also help avoid duplication of standards. New Zealand said that a Type 2 Technical Report is a short-term standard and can be done faster. It provides a flag that says there will be a standard in this space soon. It was suggested that the revision will not be done soon, and that it will take longer than 18 months! The Netherlands asked how big the differences will be? Netherlands would support a Type 2 Technical Report. 4.5 Technical Report - Guide to POSIX OSE 4.6 Test Methods WG15/N317 will be addressed by the development of an NP for test methods to be drafted by the UK Member Body. Action 9210-85: UK: Draft an NP proposal addressing Test Methods as soon as possible for formal presentation at the May 1993 WG15 meeting. (Resolution 204). 5.0 New Business 5.1 Cobol Bindings WG15/N308 contains the WG4 comments on a COBOL binding to POSIX. It originated in the UK. The question was raised that since it seems that COBOL does not fit with LIS, is the LIS broad enough? Canada pointed out that the LIS as it stands today reflects the C standard, and asked if the next revision should change to accommodate COBOL? The UK felt that it should. New Zealand said that the issue relates to use within LIS document of variable-size objects, which is hard for COBOL. It was pointed out that FORTRAN had coped with this, and that therefore it may provide guidance for COBOL. The Chair asked what should WG15 do? The UK suggested that the issues could be forwarded to the IEEE for their comments. The US pointed out that there is not much COBOL knowledge among the POSIX developers, and that this may affect usefulness of output. The Project Editor suggested that the problem may not be that POSIX is C related, but that it is system programming related. The actual modifications needed to support COBOL in its business software domain may be very small. The Netherlands suggested that WG15 should simply send an invitation to WG4 to specify their requirements. Japan observed that COBOL programs need to share files with C programs. The UK pointed out that WG4 is not requesting a binding, simply raising a question. It was agreed to simply forward any LIS comments to US member body. Action 9210-86: US: Examine N308 and take into account any comments relevant to the LIS. 5.2 Fast-Track Status of OSI APIs Japan raised the issue of the possible fast-track of the OSI APIs being developed with in TCOS. They were surprised to learn of this from their parent body, rather than through WG15. The US explained that this activity had not yet been initiated, and no decision had yet been taken. The activity might commence early next year, but only when the APIs were ready for final approval within the IEEE. The Convenor explained that the TCOS X.500 work previously carried out as part of P1003.17 had been renumbered as P1224.2 and was not related to POSIX. All the OSI APIs were identified as being outside the scope of POSIX. He suggested that there might be value for the US to research outstanding issues from the original P1003.17 project and determine if there were any that were specific to POSIX and thus have not been transferred to P1224. Action 9210-87: US: Research outstanding issues from the original P1003.17 project and determine if there were any that were specific to POSIX and thus have not been transferred to P1224.2. 6.0 Review/approval 6.1 Resolutions The Resolutions are provided as Attachment 6. 6.2 Action Items The Action Items are provided as Attachment 7. The list includes renumbered Action Items left open from previous meetings. 6.3 Issues List An issue relating to Ada and real-time was added to the issues list. 6.4 Liaison Statements N327, N328, N329 and N332 were adopted for forwarding. 7.0 Closing Process 7.1 Future Meeting considerations-- Request for invitations The following future meetings have currently been identified. May 10-14 1993 Germany Oct 25-29 1993 Week after IEEE USA (East Coast) Apr 1994 Japan(target) Oct 1994 c/w IEEE Canada Apr 1995 Denmark or Italy {possible targets} Oct 1995 France {target} May 1996 Denmark or Italy {possible targets} Oct 1996 US {target} 7.2 Document Number assignment Reading temporary documents were reviewed and the following were identified as permanent documents: Temporary Permanent Document Title(s) Number Number 15RTN-1 part of N325 Heidelberg Meeting Arrangements 15RTN-2 part of N322 RGCT Draft Resolutions 15RTN-3 part of N321 RGCPA Draft Resolutions 15RTN-4 no assignment IEEE TCOS Tentative Balloting Dates 15RTN-5 N324 SC22 N1178 SC21 Liaison 15RTN-6 part of N320 RGSec Report 15RTN-7 no assignment SC21/WG4 Draft Liaison Statement 15RTN-8 part of N323 RIN Resolutions 15RTN-9 no assignment Draft NP for Guidelines for POSIX National Profiles 15RTN-10 no assignment Draft NP for Test Methods 7.3 Selection of Vice Chair & Secretary for next meeting The Chair of the next meeting will be Patric Dempster. The US will provide a Vice- Chair for the next meeting. Keith Hopper volunteered to act as secretary. 7.4 Agenda for next meeting See Attachment 8 - Draft Agenda for May 1993 WG15 Meeting in Heidelberg. It was proposed that the meeting should start at 0900 on Wednesday and close on Friday afternoon. This would allow 2 full days for the rapporteur group meetings. RGCPA, RGCT, and RIN are intending to meet in Heidelberg. 2 small group meetings were expected for Wednesday afternoon and Thursday. 7.5 Thanks to host A Resolution was passed expressing the thanks of WG15 to the host and all those who had contributed to the success of the meeting. 8.0 Adjournment The meeting was adjourned by the chairman at 1840 on Thursday October 29th, 1992. Attachment 1 Ralph Barker US UniForum 29101 Tasman Drive Suite 201 Santa Clara CA 95051 USA Tel: +1 408 986 8840 Fax: +1 408 986 1645 E-mail: rbarker@uniforum.org Lionel Boiteau Canada Information Technology Standards DCSEM 2-5-6 Directorate of Computer Systems Engineering and Maintenance National Defence Headquarters MGen George R Peakes Building Ottawa Canada K1A 0K2 Tel: +1 613 996 5751 Fax: +1 613 992 0009 E-mail: rob@dcsem.dnd.ca David Cannon UK Computer Unit Laver Building University of Exeter North Park Road Exeter EX4 4QU UK Tel: +44 392 263956 Fax: +44 392 263108 E-mail: cannon@uk.ac.exeter Jean-Michel Cornu France 69 Rue de Seine 91130 Ris orangis France Tel: +33 1 6943 4847 Fax: +33 1 6906 8316 E-mail: jean-michel.cornu@afuu.fr Patric Dempster Canada AT&T/NCR Systems Engineering Division 320 Front Street West Toronto Ontario Canada Tel: +1 416 599 4627 E-mail: patric.dempstser@canada.ncr.com Ron Elliott Germany IBM Deutschland Kst. 2751 Bldg. 7032-70 Pascalstrasse 100 D7000 Stuttgart 80 Germany Tel: +49 7031 17 3766 Fax: +49 7031 17 3780 E-Mail: relliott@vnet.ibm.com Don Folland UK CCTA Gildengate House Upper Green Lane Norwich NR3 1DW UK Tel: +44 603 69 4713 Fax: +44 603 69 4817 E-mail: def@cctal.co.uk John Hill US Unisys MS E8-134 Box 500 Blue Bell PA 19424-0001 USA Tel: +1 215 986 4565 Fax: +1 215 986 5600 E-mail: hill@prc.unisys.com Keith Hopper New Zealand Waikato University Private Bag Hamilton New Zealand Tel: +64 7 856 2889 Fax: +64 7 856 0135 E-mail: kh@waikato.ac.nz Yukiharu Imafuku Japan NTT Data Communications Systems Corp. Kowa Kawasaki Nishi-guci Bldg, 66-2, Horikawa-cho Saiwai-ku Kawasaki-shi Kanagawa 210 Japan Tel: +81 44 548 4555 Fax: +81 44 548 4420 E-mail: ima@rd.nttdata.jp Jim Isaak US Digital Equipment Corporation Ten Tara Blvd TTB1-5/G6 Nashua NH 03062-2689 USA Tel: +1 603 884 3634 Fax: +1 603 884 3682 E-mail: isaak@decvax.dec.com Hal Jespersen POSIX Software Group 447 Lakeview Way Redwood City CA 94062 USA Tel: +1 415 364 3410 Fax: +1 415 364 4498 E-mail: uunet!posix!hlj Derek Jones UK Knowledge Software Ltd 62 Fernhill Rd Farnborough Hants GU14 9RZ UK Tel: +44 252 520667 E-mail: derek@knosof.uucp Lorraine Kevra US AT&T 900 Rt 202/206N Bedminster NJ 07921 USA Tel: +1 908 234 6423 Fax: +1 908 234 8681 E-mail: l.kevra@att.com Akio Kido Japan IBM Japan (LAB-S16-A) 1623-4, Shimotsurama, Yamato-shi, Kanagawa-ken 242 Japan Tel: +81 462 73 5436 Fax: +81 462 73 7425 E-mail: jl01376@ymtvm0.vnet.ibm.com Martin Kirk UK X/Open Company Ltd., Apex Plaza Forbury Road Reading RG1 1AX UK Tel: +44 734 508311 x2258 Fax: +44 734 500110 E-mail: m.kirk@xopen.co.uk Greger Leijonhufvud UK 6 Belgrave Court` Sutton Lane London W4 4LG UK Tel: +44 81 747 3313 Roger Martin US NIST Bldg. 225 Room B266 Gaithersburg MD 20899 USA Tel: +1 301 975 3295 Fax: +1 301 590 0932 E-mail: rmartin@swe.ncsl.nist.gov Pete Meier US IBM MS 9501 11400 Burnet Road Austin TX 78758 USA Tel: +1 512 838 3858 Fax: +1 512 838 3882 E-mail: meier@vnet.ibm.com Yashui Nakahara Japan Toshiba Corporation 2-9 Suehiro-Cho Ome-city, Tokyo 198 Japan Tel: +81 428 32 0722 Fax: +81 428 32 0408 E-mail: ynk@ome.toshiba.co.jp Barry Needham US Amdahl 1250 East Arques Ave Sunnyvale CA 94088-3470 USA Tel: +1 408 992 2527 Fax: +1 408 746 7095 E-mail: barry@uts.amdahl.com Arnie Powell Canada IBM Canada Ltd., D4/299 3600 Steeles Ave East Markham Ontario Canada Tel: +1 416 946 3911 Fax: +1 416 946 2535 E-mail: arniep@eanum2.unat.ibm.com Lynwood Randolph US NASA Headquarters Code JTD 300 E Street Washington DC 20546 USA Tel: +1 202 358 1380 Fax: +1 202 358 3062 E-mail: lrandolph@nasa.gov Nobuo Saito Japan Faculty of Environmental Information Keio University 5322 Endo Fujisawa 252 Japan Tel: +81 466 47 5111 x3256 Fax: +81 466 47 5080 E-mail: ns@sfc.keio.ac.jp Keld Simonsen Denmark DKUUG Studiestrade 6 DK-1455 Kobenhavn K Danmark Tel: +45 33 13 0023 Fax: +45 33 91 1828 E-mail: keld@dkuug.dk Peter Smith US Digital Equipment Corp. ZK3-3/W20 110 Spitbrook Rd Nashua NH 0362 USA Tel: +1 603 881 0406 Fax: +1 603 881 2257 E-mail: psmith@decvax.dec.com Jon Spencer US Data General Corporation 62 T W Alexander Drive Mailstop 6 Research Triangle Park NC 27709 USA Tel: +1 919 248 6246 Fax: +1 919 248 5942 E-mail: spencerj@dg-rtp.dg.com Gerard Stein France 5, Rue General Lanrezac F92200 Rueilly Sur Seine France Tel: +33 1 4767 1270 Fax: +33 1 4747 5312 E-mail: stein@afuu.fr Yoichi Suehito Japan Steve Walli Canada Mortice Kern Systems 35 King Street North Waterloo Ontario Canada Tel: +1 519 884 2251 Fax: +1 519 884 8861 E-mail: stephe@mks.com Herman Wegenaar Netherlands University of Groningen Faculteit Economie Vakroep BE Postbus 800 (Zermike complex) 9700 AV Groningen Netherlands Tel: +31 50 637052 Fax: +31 50 633720 Attachment 2: Agenda Agenda as adopted: JTC1/SC22/WG15 N285r5 Oct. 21, 1992 PRELIMINARY Meeting Notice and Draft Agenda ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15- POSIX Plenary and Rapporteur meetings Date: Oct. 27 to 30 Location: X/Open Company Ltd Apex Plaza, Forbury Rd Reading, UK Host Contact: Anna Tomasello (a.tomasello@xopen.co.uk) Tel: +44 734 508311 FAX: +44 734 500110 Chair: Don Folland Vice Chair: Patrick Dempster Secretary: Martin Kirk Convenor: Jim Isaak, USA +603 884-3634 isaak@decvax.dec.com WG15 Secretariat: Linda LeBlanc USA +603-884-3674 leblanc@decvax.dec.com Rapporteur & Ad Hoc Meetings prior to ------------------------------------------------- IEEE TCOS meeting in Utrecht, NL at Holiday Inn; Oct. 19-23 WG15 and other interested technical experts are invited to attend please contact Lisa Granoien, IEEE/CS 202-371-0101 for futher information. 9945-2 Extension Annex ad hoc; tenitively Oct 22-23, Ultrect, NL Security Oct. 19-23, Holiday Inn, Utrecht, NL Profile Coord. Oct. 23-24, Holiday Inn, Utrecht, NL Conformance Testing Oct. 26-27, X/Open, Reading UK Internationalization Oct. 26-27, X/Open, Reading UK WG15 Plenary meeting: Starting at 1 PM, Oct. 27 (Tuesday) --------------------- Ending by 3PM, Oct. 30 (Friday) The following small group meetings are expected to occur in parallel at this meeting: SG1: -1 9945-1 content: .4, .6, .8, LIS, .16 SG2: -2 Review of 9945-3 System Admin work, and .7.1 SGa: Administrative issues: NP's, planning, synchronization, Liaison, Standing document mgmt (resolutions, issues,...) Catagory C liaison, SC22 Ad Hoc on interpretation Synch. 1. Opening of meeting 1.1 Welcome from Host 1.2 Introductions & Roll call of Technical Experts 1.3 Selection of Drafting Committee 1.4 Adoption of agenda [N285 as revised] 1.5 Approval of minutes [N284] 1.6 Action Items [Written reports Please!] [Convenor: N303; UK:N306] 1.7 Identification of Small group topics & document assignment 2. Status, Liaison and Action Item Reports [written please] 2.1 Issues List [N253, SD3] Vicechair 2.2 JTC 1 actions affecting group Convenor 2.3 SC22 action, Convenor Report [N299, N301] Convenor 2.4 Report on IEEE TCOS Standards Projects [SD11] U.S. 2.5 WG15 Priorities and Target dates Chair 2.6 Liaison Reports: C language, Ada, Fortran, C++ [N296] Nobuo Saito, [N295: ExTRA] Ted Baker WG13 Modula 2 Bindings [N311] SC22/WG11 [N309] Paul Rabin PCTE [N289, N286] Hugh Davis Security, SC27, SC21 [N312] [Candidates for lead Rapporteur; Response to SC27 Request] SC22/WG20 Keld Simonsen SGFS [N313,N314] Andrew Walker CEN/CENELEC Keld Simonsen SC15 Media Formats [Feedback on SC22 N1174: WG15N298] SC21 API Study Group (SC22 N1178), do we need Liaison to ODP? OIW request for liaison [N290] 2.7 Editor Report [N307] Hal Jespersen 2.8 Rapporteur Group report/status Security [N304] Conformance Testing [15RTN2] Roger Martin Internationalization Keld Simonsen [Verify that we have JTC 1 request to SC22 (SC22 N1074) covered] Profile Coordination [15RTN3] Arnie Powell 2.9 Resolution status Convenor 2.10 Proposals of additional resolutions/actions 2.11 Considerations related to Catagory "C" liaison [N287] 2.12 Synchronization of Interpretations [IEEE 1988 interpretations document: N305; SC22 1236, WG15 N302] 3.0 Actions Arising from Reports 3.1 Action related to issues 3.2 Responses to JTC 1 or SC22 actions 3.3 Proposals related to IEEE TCOS activities &/or Priorities 3.4 Liasion statements & actions related thereto 3.5 Actions related to rapporteur groups 4.0 Project Activities - registration, balloting, content [WG15 SD11] 4.1 9945-1 System Interface 22.21.01.01 System Interface [LIS] {1} CD reg: SC22 ACTION Request [N292 is D3; N291, N288] 22.21.01.01.01 Security Amendment {6} CD reg: SC22 ACTION Request [N304] 22.21.01.01.02 Extensions to base {1a} na 22.21.01.02 Real time extensions {4,a} CD 9945-1Amd1 Close Oct 30 22.21.01.02.01 Extensions to real time {4b} na 22.21.01.03.01 Transparent File Access {8} CD reg: SC22 ACTION Request 22.21.01.03.02 Protocol Ind. Interface {12} na 22.21.01.03.03 Directory Services {17} Status/relationship report 4.2 9945-2 22.21.02 Shell & Utilities base {2} DIS 9945-2, Close ??? 22.21.02.01 User Portability Ext. {2a} Integrated in DIS 22.21.02.02 Security Amendment {6} CD reg: SC22 ACTION Request 22.21.02.03 additional utilities {2b} ANNEX Ad Hoc Report/issues [N294 is D4] 4.3 9945-3 22.21.03 System Administration {7+} .7.1 Document Action 4.4 Language Bindings 22.c C Language binding[N293=D/3] {16} CD Reg: SC22 ACTION REQUEST 22.a Ada Language binding {5+} WG9 Request [N310] 22.f Fortran Lang. binding {19} na 4.5 22.x0 TR Guide to POSIX OSE {0} CD Reg: ? [N297 is D15] 4.6 22.x3 Test Methods {3} CD 13210 Close: Jan 22, 93 5.0 New Business 5.1 Cobol Bindings [N308] 6.0 Review/approval 6.1 Resolutions Drafting Committee 6.2 Action Items Secretary 6.3 Issues List Vice Chair 7.0 Closing Process 7.1 Future Meeting considerations-- Request for invitations [SD7] May 10-14 1993 Germany Oct 25-29 1993 Week after IEEE USA East Coast Apr 1994 Japan (target) Oct 1994 c/w IEEE Canada - Have Invite Apr 1995 France (target) Oct 1995 {Denmark or Italy, possible targets} 7.2 Document Number assignment 7.3 Selection of Vice Chair, Secretary for next meeting 7.4 Agenda for next meeting 7.5 Thanks to host 8. Adjournment Attachment 3: Notes of Small Group 1 Seconds of SG1, WG15 Oct 28, 1992 LIS 1. UK has been discussing new class of conformance, "Rigorous" 2. Canada question re directions with LIS specs, why, etc. 3. NZ - wants .4c merged with .1LIS - discussion to effect that future revision of 9945-1 would incorporate .4* 4. France concerned about coordination of LIS versions AFNOR has paper describing concerns re LIS versions of all extensions to -1 Rigorous Conformance discussion Position that even "strictly conforming" POSIX apps does not require conformance to the Language standard; e.g. strictly conforming only needs to satisfy the requirements of the binding. "Rigorously Conforming" would combine strictly conforming to the POSIX standard with strictly conforming to the language standard. (The objective of the higher level class of conformance is to increase the level of portability of an application even more). The outcome of the discussion was that the UK. body should be requested to prepare an expert contribution describing the proposed new class of conformance and submit it to the development body for consideration. Point raised by the US that it may not be appropriate to incorporate a condition in one standard (e.g. POSIX) that could be construed to impact the interpretation of another standard (e.g. ISO C); WG15 N304 - Danish response to NP's for security amendments to 9945-1 and 9945-2 Denmark's objection to the NPs was based on the absence of authentication from the proposed scope of work. It would seem that this should have been resolved at the JTC 1 level. Jon Spencer to prepare draft resolution dealing with the problem. WG15 N288 - constitutes a test of the interpretations process pursuant to an action item on Denmark at the NZ meeting - interpretations committee did not meet in April, should meet in January and take action. WG15 N291 - appears to be a liaison statement re LIS Spec Guideline; No action required if WG15 does not advance NP in this area. WG15 N292 - .1LIS/D3, July 1992 Question of whether .4 should be incorporated before .1LIS reaches the IS stage. See draft resolution. Question of how useful the .1 LIS is - NZ rep found it easier to read than the C binding; a "programmer" found the two book format difficult to work with. Structure and Synch of .4c - concerns of French body France wants .4 to progress to DIS level, but no further than that until .1 LIS is a DIS; advancing a thick binding to the CD level is OK with France. ============================================================= ==== Resolutions proposed by SG1 ============================================================= ==== Resolution #1 not approved ##Resolution #1 from SC1 ## ##Whereas Denmark has voted NO on ISO/IEC JTC 1 N1677 and N1678 due to content ##that Denmark would like to see included in the NPs for security amendments ##to 9945-1 and 9945-2 (P1003.6), and ## ##Whereas P1003.6 has considered including this content in 1003.6a, ## ##Therefore WG15 proposes to SC22 to propose to JTC 1 to resolve this ##ballot comment by adding to the scope of both projects: ## ##"Authentication (with associated audit capability)" ## ##and subsequently forward the approved work items to the the Danish member ##body if their vote will be changed after this correction. Resolution #2 Whereas it was noted that the resolutions to several JTC 1 ballot objections were not transmitted to the national body submitting the objection, Therefore, WG15 requests that the WG15 Convenor investigate the ballot resolution process for JTC 1 ballots and report back to WG15 by the next meeting. Resolution #3 Whereas the plan is to incorporate the real time extensions (POSIX.4) into 9945-1LIS, and Whereas 9945-1LIS is about to be registered as a CD, and Whereas ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22/WG15 would consider it advantageous to expedite the completion of the LIS standards of both the real time extensions and 9945-1, so long as any delays imposed upon the completion of 9945-1LIS are acceptable, Therefore, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22/WG15 instructs the WG15 Project editor, in consultation with the US member body, to report back at the next meeting of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22/WG15 on the feasibility of merging the real time extensions into 9945-1LIS before 9945-1LIS becomes an international standard. Attachment 4: Notes of Small Group 2 Group 2 --- Small Group Documents needing review or comment: 15RTN-7 Liaison N298 Liaison 9945-2 E-mail to WG15 from convenor regarding the status of publication for DIS ballot of 9945.2 as soon as possible. WG15 thanks SC15 for their liaison statement N525 dated June 11th 1992. We believe that due to the preliminary nature of this document that there is no action required at this time. However we believe that our project JTC 1/22.21.02.01 contains aspects of data interchange that may be related. We are forwarding for your review and comment portions of an interim draft (POSIX .2b D/4 PAX interface). Action item on the convenor: Please send PAX (WG15/N294 pp26-69) and the liaison statement to SC15. WG4 liaison statement: OSI software management --- not an actual liaison statement yet --- overlap in installation areas only, and even then not very much. WG4 concerns are complimentary with those of WG15. Resolution for liaison from WG15 to WG4 likely to be passed during this WG15 meeting. 10 - 15 documents of approx. 200 pages each is expected over time, rather than a few very large documents. The interface is being designed as command line based. In the beginning of '93 and '94 CD registration and print manager. Attachment 5: Notes of Small Group A Small Group A Minutes Attendees D. Cannon - Chair R. Elliott - Secretary L. Boiteau D. Folland J. Isaak L. Kevra Y. Nakahara B. Needham L. Randolph N. Saito K. Simonsen P. Smith G. Stein Documents to be considered NP's: N309, 15RTN-2 Res.#4 Sync: N302 / SC22 N1236 Liaison: RTN-5 - N1178 'S" / 'C' Liaison N306 N287 N290 RTN-3 res.#1 NP 309 SC22/WG11 would like to move the TCOS Guidelines for LIS Methods (SC22 N1251) forward as an IS TR Type 3. WG11 don't have the manpower and wanted to know whether WG15 would be willing to move it forward. WG15 requested the US to produce input for a NP for forwarding this work as a TR (Action item 9205-50). The US believes that this could be done for the current work. In order to move the work forward we would have to find members bodies who were willing to work on this item and also a Technical Editor for the document. Mr. Cannon summarised as follows: We are not sure that the LIS work is mature and we are not sure that we have the manpower to complete the work. Proposed response to WG11 along the lines "It is under active consideration referencing Res. 197". Action items 1&2. 15RTN2 #4 The NP text has to be produced for this resolution. The group did not consider itself capable of writing this NP. The convenor and the chair will produce the NP this evening. WG15 N302 TCOS is working on updating the synchronisation plan and suggested that WG15 wait until the May 1993 meeting to discuss this updated plan. Liaison RTN-5 JTC 1/SC21 Study Period on Application Programmatic Interfaces. Action item generated. 'S' & 'C' Liaisons N287 This was in response for an earlier action item on X/Open to supply a statement of their standards policy. Action item on convenor to express thanks to X/Open. N290 Request for S-Liaison from OIW. This request is inappropriate for WG15, it should have been sent to SC22. They are welcome to participate in WG15 Rapporteur Group meetings without such a liaison. Are entities who are not members of ISO permitted to participate in sub-group meetings? N306 UK response to C Liaison was discussed during the small group session. RTN-3 Res#1 The feeling was that this resolution is not appropriate but it will be forwarded to main plenary. Attachment 6: Resolutions RESOLUTION 92-203 Correction of CD Ballot for 1003.3 Whereas SC22/WG15 has proposed the CD registration of IEEE Std. 1003.3-1991 as an ISO/IEC standard, and Whereas the specific intent of SC22/WG15 is that IEEE Std. 1003.3-1991 be registered as a proposed ISO/IEC standard and not as a Technical Report as clearly documented in SC22/WG15 Resolution 129 (approved May 1991) and SC22/WG15 N174, and Whereas IEEE Std. 1003.3-1991 is currently in ballot for CD Registration as a Technical Report Type 3, Therefore SC22/WG15 instructs its Convenor to notify the JTC 1/SC22 secretariat by November 6, 1992 of this error in the current registration process, and request that this error be corrected as soon as possible. RESOLUTION 92-204 NP for Test Methods Whereas the RGCT has discussed the UK comments on the ballot of CD 13210 (SC22 N1266), and Whereas that discussion has identified the following issues as potential, but not an exhaustive list of topics for an NP:- 1. The Conformance Assessment Process 2. The Coordination Process for test methods and means of testing 3. The Criteria for Standardised Test Reporting requirements 4. Testing for Profiles and Language Independent Specifications and, Whereas the UK has indicated its preparedness to draft an NP in these areas, Therefore, SC22/WG15 requests the UK to draft an NP and distribute for review and comment by SC22/WG15 as soon as possible and for presentation at the next meeting of SC22/WG15. RESOLUTION 92-205 NP for Test Methods to SC22 Whereas SC22/WG15 has noted that the US is developing standards for test methods for POSIX standards, and Whereas standardisation of test methods for international POSIX standards may provide substantial benefits, and Whereas document WG15 N331 represents a preliminary draft of a project proposal for standardisation of test methods for POSIX, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Kirk X/Open Company Limited Manager, Distributed Systems Management Apex Plaza, Forbury Road EMail: m.kirk@xopen.co.uk Reading, RG1 1AX, England Tel: +44 734 508311 ext 2258 Fax: +44 734 500110 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------